U.S.S. Alabama VS Italian Battelship Roma, Littorio class BB


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Автор Nathan Durrence (10 месяцев)
Looks more like an Alsace class but the triple 15 inch guns instead of the
quad 15 in guns

Автор AVF Gaming (1 год)
actually i don't like the game
try battlestation's pacific or battlestation's midway is much more better
that game is like you're wasting memory of you're computer or laptop..

Автор RodentSaurus (6 лет)
A very inaccurate fantasy.... The Ansaldo 1934 hit harder than the U.S. 16"
C45, fired more rapidly, and most importantly, was far more accurate. Proof
of this is the repeatedly excellent shooting of the Littorio and the
Vittorio Veneto against British cruisers at extreme range (>30,000 yards).
Also, the Terni Cemented Armor used on the Littorio class was *MUCH*
tougher than that used on the South Dakota class. The Roma would have hit
first, and simply shot the Alabama to pieces.

Автор Silmacar (4 года)
@wallaka iirc the Regia Marina had no fc computers

Автор JuergenGDB (4 года)
@RodentSaurus WTF does being American have to do with anything? Knowing
History... is knowing history regardless of where on planet earth you come
from. For one thing and Im not aiming this at you Rodent... but everyone
should be proud of whatever nation they come from period... American or not.

Автор tchirn (2 года)
They "ran" because they had no AIR COVER and the British were accompanied
by aircraft carriers which carry airplanes, do you capisci? The Brits
should have destroyed more as I believe a plane can catch a ship but they
did not, I guess just being kind. There were times when the Brits broke off
the engagement and "ran" but you won't see that in the old Victory at Sea
series or any of those post WW2 b/s.There are many books by by non Italian
authors which dispel the WW2 propaganda. Read them

Автор 7omnia7 (5 лет)
You do like WWII History! But your wrong on one point: the Italian army
wasn't "respectable" because it was incredibly unprepared. Mussolini knew
it (that's why Italy officially got itself into the war a year later, after
the Germans had the upper hand in France). The faults: the Italian high
officers who didn't even know what the word war means (Rommel). On the
other hand the Italian soldiers were brave beyond standards. A true waist
of human lives! FUCK nowadays Italian fascists!

Автор 311nonono (2 года)
You do not realize that by you constant reference to this item you show
your total ignorance in this subject matter. I will put this in a way you
can maybe understand. The Savannah is like a wooden boat compared to the
Roma. In addition if the Iowa, or any other battleship with "maybe" the
exception of Yamato, was hit in the same location they would have suffered
the same fate. The difference is they would have sunk in a minute or less
and not stay afloat for over six minutes as the Roma did.

Автор RodentSaurus (6 лет)
1) Their guns had the longest range of *ANY* gun ever mounted on any
battleship. Period. 2) The Japanese 18", and the Amercian 16"/50 just eeked
them out in penetration at point-blank range, but the 1934 matched them at
medium range, and finally passed them at long range. 3) Encounters vs. the
British showed them to be extremely accurate at ranges of over 32,000 yards
- against cruisers! 4) They *COMPLETELY* out-classed the 15" guns of the
Bismarck class. It was almost embarrassing.

Автор smsteve888 (5 лет)
I am a fan of it, but I do not have anyone to play it with most of the time

Автор 311nonono (3 года)
Besides the most powerful guns of any battleship before and since. The
Littorio class also had the toughest armor of all. It’s Terni armor was 17%
tougher than US armor and 22% tougher than Japanese armor. That means
Littorio's 13.8" belt was more penetration resistant than Yamato's 16.2"
belt and far surpassed Iowa's 12.1 belt in penetration protection.

Автор 7omnia7 (5 лет)
Btw, you should play the last edition of "Axis and Allies", you'd have fun!
(maybe you're already a fan of that game?)

Автор hoplite1766 (5 лет)
You're an idiot, Britain wasnt' invaded was it. You Italians were useless
in WW2, ask any German. LOLOLOLOL

Автор RodentSaurus (4 года)
@KnightOfChrist1 Once again, you are clueless. There were no Italian
survivors from the battle off Cape Matapan. Your spotty, incomplete
knowledge is evident by your quoting two events, without even stating what
really happened - did Wikipedia crash before you could finish cutting and
pasting? And Cunningham a "...master..."? I take it back - there IS
something I would like to know from you; where you get such excellent

Автор Kris Matheson (7 лет)
Fighting Steel

Автор RodentSaurus (4 года)
Hi Juergen, I was just trying to imply that my appreciation of American
equipment was not based in nationalism, but in knowledge of the facts.
Example; despite my great love for the Littorio class, there is no doubt
that the Iowas would have defeated them in a duel. It might have broken
down something like this: Fire control: Iowa; Guns:equal; Armor: equal;
Speed: Iowa; Damage control: equal; "Damage Resistance: Iowa; Gunnery:
Littorio; Maneuvering: Iowa; Ship's Food (critical); Littorio.

Автор hoplite1766 (5 лет)
This confrontation couldn't happen because the Italians would have run
away, Shit, the British chased them all over the mediterranean using old
WW1 battleships in the italians back yard. Mussolini's 'mare nostrum' was
all talk, the Italian navy was an embarassment.

Автор normannodelsud (5 лет)
Then the English got back the aerial superiority, the Germans transmitted
in code (Enigma) the departures of the Italian ships that didn't succeed in
supplying Rommel anymore. In last but very important the American tankses
type Shermann... Only this, however Italians to El Alamein fought better
some Germans

Автор 311nonono (4 года)
@carsmasher Absolutely correct. But they wanted to exceed the power of
larger guns, without the weight penalty. Their solution to wear was to
design guns with, on ship 24hr replacement liners. The British(and others)
after 300+ shots would require the replacement of the entire gun. This
alternative was both very costly and time consuming, the 24hr liners also
avoided with this. The heavier guns, if they went that way, would have also
meant a heavier ship with a large power plant or a slow ship.

Автор 311nonono (1 год)
Iowa's 18 inch armor of turrets and tower was homogeneous armor which is
MUCH WEAKER than face hardened cemented armor. Littorio's Terni cemented
armor was the BEST armor of WWII. Littorio's guns had 4 miles MORE RANGE
than Iowa and more range than Yamato. And also with MORE PENETRATION than
both Iowa and Yamato (Yamato above 25k yards). Will penetrate Iowa's belt
to vitals out to 28k yards. Iowa to Littorio 14k yards. It armor belt was
only rivaled was Yamato's. Also had 32k yard radar by 42'.

Автор smsteve888 (5 лет)
Mussolini was a buffoon. Pure and simple. The Italian army was respectable,
but preformed terribly in combat. Mussolini, being a toady to Hitler,
wanted to impress him by sending a squadron of Italian heavy bombers to
participate in the battle of Britain. Guess what? All of them were shot
down but a few (2?). Italian tanks were worn out in world war one, and were
called "self propelled coffins" by their own crews.

Автор Logan Seal (6 лет)
Need to do some death matches. Show us what a sinking ship is like. Oh and
I concur with RodentSaurus, the Littorio should have won this fight. I
noticed that the secondary guns on the Alabama seemed to fire faster that
the Roma. Wonder if that had anything to do with the outcome?

Автор 311nonono (3 года)
@HAL9000Intelligence The only battleship that was talked about as achieving
35 knots was the Iowa. BUT.... Iowa could not have got near 35kn was unless
in stripped down weight with the engines running 20% past their rated
redline. In post WWII speed trials the Iowas were never able to exceed
32kn. Littorio maximum speed was 31.5kn. Most ships, including Littorio &
Iowas, were able to run their engines past their redlines when emergencies
warranted possible engine damage or short engine life.

Автор RodentSaurus (4 года)
The Roma, on the other hand, showed just how tough her class was; Roma
stayed afloat for over SIX MINUTES after her forward mag blew, giving her
crew precious time to get out. 596 men made it, specifically for that
reason, unlike the near total losses of the other ships (save Tirpitz, at
anchor). When Veneto got torpedoed in the rudders and props, instead of
being crippled, like the POW and Bismarck, she survived. In all, these were
great ships, and worth adversaries for any. Ciao y'all.

Автор joseagustinpicasso (6 лет)
haha... this was the horrible mod for the Fighting steel... A couple of
americans do this ugly "mod".. on it, the Bismarck run 29 knoths and the
POW too... and the Hood can take a bismarck. Somebady of the dev team get
the Yami with one Alaska (a USA BC). In that escenario, the Littorio's guns
can pierce any point of the US BB like chesse =), not the same for the
Littorio =). Bye looks like a real 80´s videogame lol...

Автор hoplite1766 (4 года)
@RodentSaurus Right about the armour but italian cemented armour was based
on British principles, the best in the world at thicknesses over 10", the
correct abbreviation for this armour being CA, so the italian armour was
likely of good or better quality. However not all your posts are accurate.
The longest recorded hits on moving ships at sea were the Scharnhorst on
HMS glorious at 26,646 yards and Warspite on Guilio Cesare at 26,000 yards.
So were is your source for the 32,000 yard claim??

Автор KnightOfChrist1 (4 года)
@RodentSaurus LOL thats a turnaround, just yesterday you said the Vittorio
Veneto was NOT at Matapan. Owned. And I admitted the wrong armour
abbreviation from KC to CA that was a typo. To conclude though yes these
ships were excellent ships, though they never really proved themselves.
Anyway, nice to meet a fellow enthusiast, sorry if I was a little terse in
some of my replies.

Автор 311nonono (2 года)
Ridiculous that you would want to compare the Savannah to the Roma. Compare
it to the Italian Zara cruiser class and you will find that the Savannah
would look like an embarrassment to the US Navy. And let's not even talk
about comparing Terni armor to US grade A armor with it severe spalding
effects, so serious that they used weaker homogenous armor on the turret
faces instead Grade A armor.

Автор RodentSaurus (4 года)
@KnightOfChrist1 Fire rate depended on many things, including crew fatigue.
Even though the US 16"/C45 was capable of 2 rounds per minute per gun, they
rarely did better than one round every 45 seconds. In the 1934, the holdup
was the re-training gear, so that it fired close to every 40 seconds,
fresh, or tired crew. Bismarck could shoot every 20 seconds, but rarely did
better than 26-30, as the crew was the limit. Same with Scharnhorst;
theoretically 4 rnds/minute, usually between 2 and 3.

Автор bigbradip (6 лет)
In questo video sembra che la Littorio Roma spari un colpo ogni 5
dellaU.S.S. Alabama. Non credo che nella realtà sarebbe stato così, atteso
che la Littorio aveva un sistema di caricamento automatico

Автор RodentSaurus (4 года)
@Silmacar All capital ships had FC computers; not like today's but they
were absolutely necessary for fire control. Back then, the computers were
ANALOGUE, rather than digital. They were dazzlingly intricate assemblies of
gears, springs, and clutches. Even The Bismarck's radar did not have a
screen, it had a mechanical pointer! It wasn't until Chain Home was mounted
on some of the County class, that the radar unit, not the ship, was pointed
at different directions to search for targets.

Автор hoplite1766 (4 года)
@RodentSaurus That answer also does not tale 'weight of shot' into
consideration, nor the US advantage of superior fire control and radar. The
American range computers and fire control being the best of any navy during
WW2 hands down (No I'm not American)

Автор Lumotaku (1 год)
I have decided you are gay

Автор 311nonono (4 года)
@carsmasher This ship was overly underestimated by a very long shot ! It
had more hitting power than both Iowa and Yamato and as fast(-1knt) as
Iowa. When you look at the armor penetration tables and consider the
conversion from Italian Terni armor to Japanese armor. The Littorio’s 13.8”
armor belt surpassed the Yamato’s 16.1” belt in penetration protection, and
far-exceeded Iowa’s belt protection. If you stop and think about this, it’s
incredible. A light, powerful, fast, well protected ship.

Автор KnightOfChrist1 (4 года)
@RodentSaurus Vittorio Veneto was not at Matapan??????? LMAO do some
homework, yes it was, it ran away to port. Get back to me on this or you're

Автор Kris Matheson (7 лет)

Автор deino117 (3 года)
@RodentSaurus I guess by definition a "fantasy" doesn't have to be
accurate! Regardless, thanks for the info on the Italian guns. The Italians
got such a bad rap in WWII and it's nice to correct it whenever possible.
Good stuff.

Автор Sartori (6 лет)
Roma was only armed with 15" guns. Alabama was armed with 16" and had radar
directed fire control.

Автор prowler878 (3 года)
And what's with that huge miscalculation about an 8,000-yard difference
bet. Iowa and Littorio? Even with weaker Mark 1-5 shells, it's up to 4000
yards only - and that's just the South Dakota. Besides, that's the vertical
armor you wrote. US guns are meant to hit horizontal/deck armors, as
Pacific warfare dictates. SoDak's decks are immune against Littorio up to
8000 yards more than vice versa, the Iowas moreso, at whch point US shells
penetrate twice the deck armor than Italians can.

Автор 311nonono (4 года)
@RodentSaurus "there is no doubt that the Iowas would have defeated...." I
disagree, I think they were about equal it could go either way. The
Littorio's guns were definitely better. The speed was about the same with
the edge towards Iowa. Littorio had better armor in the more critical
areas. Ha...and food poisoning, well...it can doom a ship!

Автор smsteve888 (5 лет)
huh, thats interesting. I'm pretty sure I have the original

Автор RodentSaurus (4 года)
@JuergenGDB What is HOI3? Thank you. : )

Автор prowler878 (3 года)
@311nonono One more thing: Littorio's main belt wasnt 13.8" Terni, it's
11.02", an inch less than Iowa's 12.1" Class A armor. If you will insist on
the 13.8", you should have at least mentioned the additional 2.76" PO
plate, which is very much different from face-hardened Terni armor. It
would then be unjust not to add Iowa's 1.5" STS plate to 12.1" Class A
plate, for a total of 13.6" for Iowa.

Автор KnightOfChrist1 (4 года)
@RodentSaurus They were also the slowest to load and fire, their ships did
not have radar only optical sights, they outranged Bismarck by 4 miles
true, but Bismarck fired faster. British capital ships had radar and never
lost to the Italians in a sea battle. Go to navweaps site and read Nathan
Okan's gunnery pages, also what you say about armour is not so, British KC
and US armour were best in the world.

Автор hoplite1766 (4 года)
@RodentSaurus Again you don't know what you're talking about. Vittorio
Veneto's shooting at Matapan was poor and unaccurate. Go to navweaps and
look up Nathan Okun's gunnery and ballistics information, the Italian 15"
ammo from Ansalado and OTO suffered from consistency problems throughout
the war..LOOK IT UP.

Автор Lorenzo Capasso (5 лет)

Автор 311nonono (2 года)
To be clear, the reference in the prior comment was to IOWA's turret faces.

Автор KnightOfChrist1 (4 года)
@RodentSaurus Couda, wouda, shouda. Fact is they didn't. No hits on enemy
moving ships at sea have ever been recorded upwards of 26,000 yards
Scharnhorst, and HMS Warspite. How about the quality of the personnel or
tactics, British were second to none, Cunningham was a master, the Italians
the opposite. Half the survivors from Pola rescued by the royal navy found
drunk and delirious without any leadership in evidence.

Автор RodentSaurus (6 лет)
Through no fault of their own, most people are not well infomed about the
Italian Battleships of the Littorio class, mainly due to the fact that they
did not have the P.R. that the Bismarck, and Yamato had. So, in the next
post, allow me to make a few generalized statements, which I invite any of
you to check on the 'net, or in U.S. Naval archives at Anapolis, Maryland

Автор 311nonono (3 года)
@woofdogmeow Be specific ! What specifically is the bilge ? And who is this
directed too ?

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