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FN SCAR 17 vs. MEGA AR-10: .308 Shootout @ 600 Yards (Review / Field Test)



We here at TBP are all about putting weapon systems head-to-head for an all out war of who will reign supreme... today we have our first ever "VS." review: the highly adaptable FN SCAR 17S vs. the Cadillac of AR-10's, the MEGA Arms MA-TEN. These two popular rifles chambered in .308 (7.62x51mm) are put to the test for accuracy, comfort, reliability, ruggedness, and adaptability. We put a 1/2" thick steel plate out at 600+ yards and take turns on both weapon systems and give you our overall thoughts and opinions in regards to both of these stellar firearms and which one would serve it's owner better (including our thoughts on the optics). We go prone for this shootout on top of one of our TBP - mobiles: an M1009 Blazer (used military model). However, please bear in mind... it is 100% dependent on the person firing the weapon as well as the situation, mission, desired goal, etc., in regards to overall preference of either of these platforms. Anyway, we love to throw some .308 around, and this review gave us a great excuse to do just that! So, sit back, relax, and enjoy the review.

The Bullet Points on the FN SCAR 17S / SCAR-H:
• Model: SCAR 17S (SOCOM Combat Assault Rifle)
• AKA: SCAR-H (SCAR "Heavy")
• Caliber: 7.62x51mm NATO / .308 Winchester
• Action: Short-Stroke Gas Piston, Semi-Auto (Rotating, Locking-Bolt)
• Barrel: Free-Floating, Cold Hammer-Forged MIL-SPEC Barrel with a Hardchromed Bore (1 in 12" Twist)
• Style: Large-Size, Semi-Auto Rifle
• Controls: Fully Ambidextrous
• Manufacturer: FN Herstal (FNH USA)
• Country of Origin: USA / Belgium
• Year Released: 2009
• Material: Hard-Anodized Monolithic Aluminum (Upper Receiver) and Polymer (Lower Receiver)
• Magazine Capacity: 10 - 20 rds.
• Barrel Length: 16.25"
• Overall Length: 28.5" (Buttstock Folded) - 38.5" (Buttstock Extended)
• Weight: 8 lbs. (Unloaded)
• MSRP: $3,349
• Availability: Fair
• Overall TBP Rating: 8/10
• Pros: Stellar Ergonomics, Reliable and Rugged, Battle-Ready, Fully Ambidextrous Controls, Forward Charging Handle, Excellent Cartridge, Unique Design, Interchangeable Barrel Ability, Monolithic Rail, Folding & Telescoping Stock, Adjustable Cheek Weld, Great for Long Distance, etc.
• Cons: Not Recommended for CQB, Cheap Feeling Stock, Uncomfortable Cheek Weld, Iron Sights, Price, Does Not Take AR-10/SR25 Magazines (Magpul PMags), etc.
SCAR 17 OPTIC - 
• Manufacturer: US Optics
• Model: SN-3 w/EREK Knob
• Zoom: 1.8x -- 10x
• Objective Lens: 44mm Low Profile
• Reticle: MDMOA
• Tube: 30 mm
• Rings: Nightforce 30 mm High
• MSRP: $2,652 (Not Including Rings)

The Bullet Points on the MEGA Arms MA-TEN AR-10:
• Caliber: 7.62x51mm NATO / .308 Winchester
• Action: Direct Gas Impingement (Rotating, Locking Bolt)
• Barrel: JP Supermatch w JP EnhancedBolt, Button Rifled 1:10 Twist Rate
• Buffer/Spring: JP Silent Capture Spring System
• Bolt/BCG: JP EnhancedBolt and JP LMOS (Low Mass Operating System)
• Style: Large-Size, Semi-Auto Rifle
• Controls: Right-Handed Ejection w Ambidextrous Bolt Release
• Manufacturer: Mega Arms/JP Rifles/Magpul/DPMS
• Year Released: 2010
• Material: Hard-Anodized Monolithic Aluminum MTS-4400 Upper Receiver with Hard-Anodized Lower
• Magazine Capacity: 5 - 20 rds. (SR25 Magazines For This Setup)
• Barrel Length: 18"
• Overall Length: 37.2" (Buttstock Collapsed) - 40.0" (Buttstock Extended)
• Weight: 9.1 lbs. (Unloaded)
• MSRP: Custom Built ($1,448.80 - JP) + ($927 - MA-TEN Upper/Lower Set) + ($69.99 - DPMS Lower Parts Kit) + ($324.90 - Magpul Furniture) - TOTAL = $2770.69
• Availability: MA-TEN Monolithic Is Currently Not Being Produced Due to Pending Copyright Lawsuits (They May Still Be Able to Make Them For One of Their Custom Clients) But Comparable Upper/Lower Combos From Mega Arms Have A Fair Availability, All Other Parts Are Easily Obtainable (With A Wait)
• Optic Used: Nightforce NXS F1
• Overall TBP Rating: 8/10
• Pros: Familiar Feel (It's an AR-15 on Steroids), Ergonomics, Takes Magpul PMags & Standard AR-10 Mags, Rugged, Smooth Trigger, Comfortable Cheek Weld, Nice Stock, JP Parts Functioned Well, Reliable, Accurate, Low Recoil, etc.
• Cons: Availability, Weight, Fixed Stock, Length, etc.
MEGA MA-TEN OPTIC:
• Manufacturer: Nightforce
• Model: F1 NXS
• Zoom: 3.5x -- 15x
• Objective Lens: 50mm
• Reticle: NP-RF1
• Tube: 30mm
• Larue Tactical QD LT135
• MSRP: $2,467 (Not Including Rings)

Some of the equipment / accessory brands featured in this review:
- Magpul
- Nightforce
- US Optics
- 5.11
- Blackhawk
- Tru-Spec
- Oakley
- Mechanix
- Remington
- Winchester

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Автор tristan melendez ( назад)
Wait so the ar was modded and the scarh was still better 

Автор Calvin Wong ( назад)
dak dak for noobs

Автор azilla04 ( назад)
You guys definitely have to do this again with these and the ARAK 31 from
faxon.

Автор guavasauce (1067 лет назад)
off topic: Ace and Gary? ring a bell for anyone else? SNL?

Автор Kaleb Nickerson ( назад)
You should've had the same person shoot the guns because each person has
different experience.


Автор c d ( назад)
"Ace and Gary"- LOL- like from SNL bit

Автор miguel angeles ( назад)
Fair comparison to me I'd rather get ar 10. Since its still way cheaper
even tho its custom. Why go factory stock when you have so many
modification the you can do on AR platform rifle and make It better 

Автор mach533x ( назад)
trigger control=fail lol 

Автор Jp ARbuilder ( назад)
Giving reviews. Display poor fundamentals.

Автор BlueonGoldZ ( назад)
I'd rather have an AR-10 and I already have two including a Mega Arms MATEN
key mod. The SCAR, while it is a good rifle, is WAY too overpriced plus you
have to use proprietary mags which are expensive. Not that my last comment
has anything to do with functionality but the SCAR is a friggin' ugly gun
especially compared to a great-looking AR platform.

Автор Davis Fehrman ( назад)
does anyone have thoughts on a scar against a faxon arak? they just came
out with the arak 31, a 308 variant.

Автор BigO4185 ( назад)
I purchased a SCAR 17S and I purchased the Handle Defense Aluminum Lower
and now I can use PMAGS or any SR 25 mags! I purchased the VLTOR Adaptor
and now I can use my favorite Magpul stocks. I put on the extended grip
given to me by FN as a Promo and this is the perfect battle rifle! I
purchased the Timney 3 lbs trigger and the X25 drum mag and I have
perfection squared!

Автор Eat My Dust ( назад)
The last shooter definitely lacks experience. Not once did I see him follow
through with any of his shots.

As far as comparing the two rifles alongside each other; they are both
excellent. But the biggest separation is the durability of the FN SCAR. Run
the frog test on both of these weapon systems and see what happens to the
AR. 

Автор Lindsay Curran ( назад)
I have no room to judge... But comparing a MODDED AR 10 to any stock weapon
7.63 weapon system is not really an accurate comparison.. Compare stock to
stock to get a complete accurate weapons comparison..

Автор Rufus Shipman ( назад)
I don't really care as long as it doesn't fail. Either one is great but,
the ar10 does need a few mods before being as reliable as the scar. The
ar10 can be as reliable as the scar given the right mods.

Автор yd4330 ( назад)
+1 on Ross comment. Terrible trigger control and reset. I expected a
comptent shooter for a proper review for long range work. And everyone
knows the first thing you buy is a super scar trigger. Doesn't matter how
much money you spens on glass if you don't have match trigger and don't
know how to use it properly. 

Автор Sumanat Wp WP. ( назад)
FN SCAR 17 vs. MEGA AR-10: .308 Shootout @ 600 Ya…:
http://youtu.be/_98MeKrCzwk

Автор flspy ( назад)
One more advantage- SCAR 17 shoots .308 with low recoil. A big cartridge
that shoots soft is a major advantage

Автор 1lostinspace ( назад)
You guys should check out the ACSS HUD DMR reticle,

Автор akg 102 ( назад)
While the SCAR may be light compared to most commercially produced
AR10/LR308 type rifles, it is still over 9lbs scoped. Why not build
something more sleek and handy, while also shooting for lighter recoil with
an LMOS BCG, adjustable gas block, and good brake? I'm not taking it into
battle, so the perceived reduction in reliability will be a non-issue.

Автор akg 102 ( назад)
I currently have a SCAR17 and am starting a Mega MATEN MKM build. I've
calculated the weight of all of the parts and it should come in at ~112.45
ounces. That's almost 15oz lighter than the 17. Granted, the cost is going
to be about 10% higher than the 17, but the weight savings should be worth
it. It's tough to predict accuracy, but it will have a Proof Research heavy
16" carbon fiber barrel; it should be more accurate than the SCAR over the
duration of firing.

Автор Birddog sixfourtwofour ( назад)
too many crappy mechanics fellas.
And what's with the stupid gloves? Seriously?

Автор E “SHARK” SIALOI ( назад)
Scar17's are nice but at 3k a pop is pretty steep for most and that's about
the only negative I can say. The positives far outweighs the negatives.
When it comes down to accuracy and reliability out of the box it is
unbelievable but compared to an AR10 it isn't really fair because the AR
platform has been around for 57 years. It has evolved and has been
perfected by precision manufacturer's worldwide. FNH has developed a
shorter barrel and manufacturer's will start developing after market parts
as the rifle gains popularity and higher demands for the SCAR's 16 and 17's
platforms. Overall it is a very light, durable and dependable weapons
system that packs a mean punch with the .308 round..Can you ask for more in
a compact design that allows the operator to disassemble and maintain with
a few simple functions. Hope you enjoy and..
Thanks for reading..

Автор rkwjunior ( назад)
I don't think this is an accurate accuracy test, The AR-10 has a match
barrel and JP internals, the SCAR is stock, they should have used a Factory
AR-10, not custom. This says a lot for the SCAR.

In a SHTF scenario i'd take the SCAR, runs like a sewing machine.

Автор mx0069 ( назад)
Great video guys thanks for sharing... I'd like see more of these "vs."
videos comparing accuracy, just not from a vehicle mounted shooting
position. My personal experiences have proven this to be very counter
productive when trying to determine precision... thanks again for the vids
and keep'm coming!

Автор GrapeApeVine ( назад)
holyshit...ive watch this video 5times and just noticed you said what bipod
was on it like 3times....lolololololol

Автор scotty w ( назад)
is that a cucv? 

Автор GrapeApeVine ( назад)
what bipods are those????

Автор Molon Labe ( назад)
Need to add a kestrel 4500 AB to your arsenal

Автор roughcutone2 ( назад)
Both shooters have crappy triger pulls for distance shooting

Автор Clvmind ( назад)
Finally some people tests assault rifles for the real purpose that they
made for! Most try assault rifles for the distances less than 150
meters/yards but for that range just a MP-5 works perfect, you do not need
any thing more than that! I wish you should also have an AK-47/74 and good
old G-3 to compare with those! As you see, new assault rifles coming out
with less rpm, more accuracy, longer distance, more power etc. compare to
M-4 (as it seen in Afghanistan 7.62 with low rpm works better in battle
field). SCAR 17 is a good example for that! In my own experience G-3 is the
best battle weapon so far, cannot handle dust, mud water ect. as good as
AK, also very heavy but still very accurate and shoot/damages like a
cannon! If you have G-3, MP-5 and M9 Beretta and few hand grenade on you,
battle field is yours! You do not need anything else more than that.

Автор Aaron Hughey ( назад)
Awesomeness

Автор raider6511 ( назад)
Sounds nice. Try the SCAR vs FN FAL. ok

Автор Whitehorze ( назад)
A rifle with a mediocre barrel can be shot well if it's fed ammo that it
likes and has a decent trigger.

Neither of those topics were covered. Good gunporn anyway...

Автор Andre Williams ( назад)
Yeah you cant give one a match grade barrel and not the other lol.

Автор Ross Jacobs ( назад)
Someone's trigger reset was pretty bad. It was almost like he wanted to
get back off of the trigger as soon as it broke. It's hard to take a
review seriously if the shooter demonstrates lack of follow-through.
Example @ 6:12 = bad technique. He did improve it on a couple of shots.

Автор BadBrian303 ( назад)
That dude in the middle should stop talking.

Автор THE LAST BATTLE NATION SURVIVOR ( назад)
scar wins hands down!

Автор MrSottobanco ( назад)
How would a KAC Sr-25 stack up against a SCAR 17?

Автор TheBarrett107 ( назад)
I'm telling you the Scar is Beast!!!!

Автор Johnny Pea ( назад)
where was this video shot? Pretty country.

Автор whocaresanyway ( назад)
3k for a scar that even special forces hate or you can build a mint custom
308 for 1500$...that's made by us companies, out of metal....Not plastic.
If I want a toy gun I'll go to Wal-Mart

Автор PigIron BigIron ( назад)
The ambiguously gay duo? C'mon now...

Автор Wolfwolveswolf ( назад)
If I had the money I'd own a SCAR-17 for sure, but I thank G-d for the FAL!

Автор ThaiTan Corner ( назад)
What are you comparing number of hits by each shooters. Is it accuracy
between the two or designs the video just shoe bang bang no definitive data
collected ammo shots info, moa results not much accept displaying the guns
and optics. Good luck on next video just shows 100-200-300 yards shots best
shooter best groups would be more interesting 

Автор john doe ( назад)
Trigger control to much to ask for?

Автор bob g ( назад)
did you have a geissele superscar trigger on the 17? It's commonly known
that the purchase of a scar means that you immediately install a superscar,
especially if your going to be doing long range work. It's 200% better, at
least. Transforms the gun.

Автор adolfhitmaker ( назад)
you fags wear those gloves when you jack each other off?

Автор 808Stevie ( назад)
That dude needs bigger shirt...

Автор Chau Nguyen ( назад)
California sucks!!! and I live in CA

Автор Chau Nguyen ( назад)
that is a cal legal scar 17s?

Автор semiautoriflelover1 ( назад)
.308/7.62x51 AR rifles have never been very reliable. Go with Scar. 

Автор Roger Judd ( назад)


Автор dadougro ( назад)
I wish they were hitting paper to truly see the level of accuracy and
consistency. Maybe next time. To hit a 15" circle and say one was more
accurate doesnt make sense as real world targets may be smaller, much
smaller.

Автор Michael Hampton ( назад)
Nice review, but I think for an "all out war" review of a battle
rifle should of been done while 1) shooting in the prone and off hand 2)
single shots and rapid fire 3) shooting on the move. That is what a battle
rifle is about (besides throwing some sand and water in the chamber
area). It would have been a ball watching this review of you guys try to
hit the target and trying to control that AR10 while rapid firing. I know
my SCAR-17s gets pretty boring rapid firing while holding on target. Its
that good.
The AR10 was customized for long range shooting in the prone with the match
barrel, chamber, trigger and stock.This should have been compared to the
SSR. But to even things a little put a Timney or Geissele trigger in the
SCAR and you have a sub MOA battle rifle. Add a VLTOR SCAR stock adapter
with and a Magpul PSR stock you got yourself a sub 1/2 MOA semi auto sniper
rifle. Load up some 150 grain SMK, 42.5gr varget, lapua brass with federal
match primers and you're at 1/4' MOA easy. Anyways it still was a pretty
good review keep them coming.
.

Автор nunya ( назад)
These rifles have some major differences, for a head to head comparison.
1) Barrels - The AR10 has a heavier barrel and is match grade. I didn't
hear what length it was. The SCAR generally comes with a 16" barrel. If
the AR10 has a longer barrel, ballistics would be different. 2) Weight -
Less weight usually means more recoil. Which this test was a table top. 3)
Gas vs. Piston operating system. Gas systems are inherently more accurate
than piston.

Автор Zachery Petersen ( назад)
It's an rifle NOT a gun. Guess Gary was never in the military.

Автор ShooterB ( назад)
Trigger slappers. Only one guy on here has trigger control. 

Автор Matthew Witryk ( назад)
Ace and Gary the ambiguously gay duo, lol.... 

Автор ruststar ( назад)
Thanx for the review guys, you should work on a better prone position,
supporting the mag with the weak hand adds nothing to the stability of the
position since that is what the bipod is doing, you need to support the
buttstock by squeezing a bag underneath it.
Why do you need to wear gloves???
Cheers

Автор DFOOSKING ( назад)
Ace? Gary?

THE AMBIGUOUSLY GAY DUO!

LOL

Автор Blake Apple ( назад)
This is a better comparison, but with the stock obviously you can change
that with a few minutes, another thing i noticed is that that is the mid
range scar 17 they make a longer one that is much more accuarate plus it
seemed like the ar-10 had a lot of aftermarket parts which even with that
still two out of three chose the scar

Автор Blake Apple ( назад)
This is a better comparison, but with the stock obviously you can change
that with a few minutes, another thing i noticed is that that is the mid
range scar 17 they make a longer one that is much more accuarate plus it
seemed like the ar-10 had a lot of aftermarket parts which even with that
still two out of three chose the scar

Автор spencer cupit ( назад)
what would make a 10/10 rating for you? I just got a mega arms with rainer
barrel, Im deployed and cant play with it until I get home so I will not
know what I think for anouther 5 months. I had a chance to get a SCAR H
and thought it would be a better buy. I have a M1A I am sending to
springfield to have some work done to it but I thought about seeling both
of those to pay for the SCAR and get extra parts. Just curiuos? thanks.

Автор Nunya Bidniss ( назад)
Thanks for the video and honest feedback. I'm interested to know more
about the optics from this shoot. Thanks.

Автор Mark Billhymer ( назад)
great review a theriot, you probably won't read this again but I totally
agree with your comments

Автор Holesinsocks ( назад)
The person below is correct, I for example own an AR-10. Armalite. If you
are referring to a DPMS,Knight-Reed, Etc, it is not an Armalite. The
"general speaking terms" people use can cause purchasing errors, etc. 

Автор ibepressin ( назад)
I am not a expert but the comment about the ar 10 using pmags couldn't be
more wrong. A true ar10 will NOT accept pmags. A lr-308 will. 2 different
platforms of ar10 type rifles. This is a big misconception that a ar10 is a
ar10.

Автор Dave LaChioma ( назад)
You didn't mention how the stock FN trigger feel was. I shot a 17S last
week and I did not like the trigger at all. Also, in your own video it sure
seemed like the AR was getting more hits on target. Where you using the
same ammo? What did you use?

Автор Drew 1911 ( назад)
everyone's a fucking expert these days. nice video fellas. ignore the know
it all douchbaggery being posted. I'm not sure if i would shoot that scar
or just rub it all over my balls but either way its a good day. 

Автор Wesley Walker ( назад)
If you're wearing those ridiculous Oakley gloves while shooting slick in a
range environment, I'm going to automatically assume you are a tool and
have no idea what you are talking about.

Автор DIY Weapons ( назад)
Great video guys - I like how you guys offer 3 difference perspectives. The
only feedback from us is it would of been nice to hear what you went
through to zero in both rifles. Thanks again. And drop by our forums - we
would love to have your videos posted (along with any write-ups). 

Автор Alex G ( назад)
you made me lol. This rifle is only legit for squirrel hunting season.
Sorry man.

Автор Karl Marx ( назад)
im looking for a new rifle to hunt ducks with. is this a viable choice?

Автор Steven May ( назад)
One of you is seriously jerking the trigger. I mean I see daylight between
your trigger finger and the trigger, then in no time you are firing. I
noticed this in another video of yours too. Not trying to be a douche but
it might help some of your accuracy woes. As you said, the rifles
outperformed than the shooters. Follow through by holding the trigger after
the shot. Release the trigger slowly to hear the disconnector click, and
maintain contact with the trigger between shots.

Автор TurboMitsubishi ( назад)
The AR has the advantage of decades of refinement, and time tested
performance...plus it's more affordable and ergonomic. By the way, when you
show the shooter fire, multiple times and then an impact. eh takes away
from the video imo. I'd like to see every impact you show the shooter
firing. Makes it a lot more fluid as with every shot I was thinking "Now
show the impact!".

Автор Joe Mamma ( назад)
id take the ar10 any day of the week

Автор cavscout62 ( назад)
I've carried the AR10 pattern rifle in hostile situations and have nothing
but good to say about it. I do know that the SCAR-16 & 17 have had some
real serious problems in the field with our guys in the 'Stan. I'm sure FN
will address these problems as they are a top notch builder & supplier to
our troops. No matter, I've still got to go with the AR10 and believe that
the RUGER SR762 is the rifle of the future for Combat Troops.

Автор MrDCentertainment ( назад)
how do you like that bipod?

Автор Michael Leavitt ( назад)
Nice review guys. Thanks

Автор Noobius Tubius ( назад)
These aren't assault weapons.

Автор MykTheOccultist ( назад)
i thought there was an AWB in California?

Автор P.O.I. Tactical ( назад)
Guy in the middle looks like adam carrolla!

Автор Vick Alanis ( назад)
good video horrible shooting fundementals you guys should work on your
breathing and trigger squeeze theres alot of pulling

Автор Practical Marksman ( назад)
Looks like Camp Pendleton, am I right?

Автор TheBulletPoints ( назад)
Unfortunately, we are in the People's Republik of Kalifornia (also
pronounced "Commie-fornia"). Know to shooters as one of the most anti-gun
states in the Union.

Автор TheBulletPoints ( назад)
insguy01, I'm sorry that you don't seem to find any value in our videos.
But your comment about not accepting feedback is incorrect. Vague feedback
like yours isn't much help, so if you could elaborate on what you would
like to see more/less of in our videos, it would be great. Keep in mind
that our videos are meant for "the average guy", and most of our viewers
appreciate us not getting too techincal, and sticking with a high level
overview and differing opinions. Thanks for watching though.

Автор insguy01 ( назад)
Typical TBP video. No valuable content. Of course this comment will be
selectively removed shortly as these guys are not interested in feedback
unless it's positive. Videos are based on generic points with no
substantial "value added" content. It's simple guys, your subscribers
deserve content, not baseless and generic opinions.

Автор steven davis ( назад)
where are you guys at , which state

Автор VDMA VIDEOS - Guns and Shooting Videos ( назад)
Great follow up head to head test, thanks.

Автор MrBallistics ( назад)
ace and gary, tha ambiguously gay duo! lol jk, yall are cool, couldnt help
the name reference...

Автор bdubrebel ( назад)
Awesome

Автор 10000capo ( назад)
Scar 17 all day boys ..

Автор Bling Bling ( назад)
Ace and Gary?

Автор Darkside540 ( назад)
Are Ace and Gary the ambiguously gay duo? Sorry I couldn't resist...

Автор TheBulletPoints ( назад)
Both of our TBP trucks are M1009 CUCVs. They are really cool trucks and
have taken us every place we've wanted to go shooting. Stay tuned for our
Bug Out Vehicle review coming up where we'll be putting these against a H-1
and a few other awesome off-road rigs.

Автор Wet Shoelaze ( назад)
What kind of truck is that

Автор TheActiveAssault ( назад)
Great video. Now all you need is a logo that wasn't made in MS Paint and
you'll be rollin' with the big youtubers.

Автор thegr8pulido ( назад)
I can see an advantage when actually accounting for all variables to make
first round hits, and not wanting your firearm to be the part that falls
short, but I guess that's just not what the SCAR was designed for. I do
believe it can perform in its own role very well, probably better than the
SR-25 ECC.

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