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FN SCAR 17 vs. MEGA AR-10: .308 Shootout @ 600 Yards (Review / Field Test)



We here at TBP are all about putting weapon systems head-to-head for an all out war of who will reign supreme... today we have our first ever "VS." review: the highly adaptable FN SCAR 17S vs. the Cadillac of AR-10's, the MEGA Arms MA-TEN. These two popular rifles chambered in .308 (7.62x51mm) are put to the test for accuracy, comfort, reliability, ruggedness, and adaptability. We put a 1/2" thick steel plate out at 600+ yards and take turns on both weapon systems and give you our overall thoughts and opinions in regards to both of these stellar firearms and which one would serve it's owner better (including our thoughts on the optics). We go prone for this shootout on top of one of our TBP - mobiles: an M1009 Blazer (used military model). However, please bear in mind... it is 100% dependent on the person firing the weapon as well as the situation, mission, desired goal, etc., in regards to overall preference of either of these platforms. Anyway, we love to throw some .308 around, and this review gave us a great excuse to do just that! So, sit back, relax, and enjoy the review.

The Bullet Points on the FN SCAR 17S / SCAR-H:
• Model: SCAR 17S (SOCOM Combat Assault Rifle)
• AKA: SCAR-H (SCAR "Heavy")
• Caliber: 7.62x51mm NATO / .308 Winchester
• Action: Short-Stroke Gas Piston, Semi-Auto (Rotating, Locking-Bolt)
• Barrel: Free-Floating, Cold Hammer-Forged MIL-SPEC Barrel with a Hardchromed Bore (1 in 12" Twist)
• Style: Large-Size, Semi-Auto Rifle
• Controls: Fully Ambidextrous
• Manufacturer: FN Herstal (FNH USA)
• Country of Origin: USA / Belgium
• Year Released: 2009
• Material: Hard-Anodized Monolithic Aluminum (Upper Receiver) and Polymer (Lower Receiver)
• Magazine Capacity: 10 - 20 rds.
• Barrel Length: 16.25"
• Overall Length: 28.5" (Buttstock Folded) - 38.5" (Buttstock Extended)
• Weight: 8 lbs. (Unloaded)
• MSRP: $3,349
• Availability: Fair
• Overall TBP Rating: 8/10
• Pros: Stellar Ergonomics, Reliable and Rugged, Battle-Ready, Fully Ambidextrous Controls, Forward Charging Handle, Excellent Cartridge, Unique Design, Interchangeable Barrel Ability, Monolithic Rail, Folding & Telescoping Stock, Adjustable Cheek Weld, Great for Long Distance, etc.
• Cons: Not Recommended for CQB, Cheap Feeling Stock, Uncomfortable Cheek Weld, Iron Sights, Price, Does Not Take AR-10/SR25 Magazines (Magpul PMags), etc.
SCAR 17 OPTIC - 
• Manufacturer: US Optics
• Model: SN-3 w/EREK Knob
• Zoom: 1.8x -- 10x
• Objective Lens: 44mm Low Profile
• Reticle: MDMOA
• Tube: 30 mm
• Rings: Nightforce 30 mm High
• MSRP: $2,652 (Not Including Rings)

The Bullet Points on the MEGA Arms MA-TEN AR-10:
• Caliber: 7.62x51mm NATO / .308 Winchester
• Action: Direct Gas Impingement (Rotating, Locking Bolt)
• Barrel: JP Supermatch w JP EnhancedBolt, Button Rifled 1:10 Twist Rate
• Buffer/Spring: JP Silent Capture Spring System
• Bolt/BCG: JP EnhancedBolt and JP LMOS (Low Mass Operating System)
• Style: Large-Size, Semi-Auto Rifle
• Controls: Right-Handed Ejection w Ambidextrous Bolt Release
• Manufacturer: Mega Arms/JP Rifles/Magpul/DPMS
• Year Released: 2010
• Material: Hard-Anodized Monolithic Aluminum MTS-4400 Upper Receiver with Hard-Anodized Lower
• Magazine Capacity: 5 - 20 rds. (SR25 Magazines For This Setup)
• Barrel Length: 18"
• Overall Length: 37.2" (Buttstock Collapsed) - 40.0" (Buttstock Extended)
• Weight: 9.1 lbs. (Unloaded)
• MSRP: Custom Built ($1,448.80 - JP) + ($927 - MA-TEN Upper/Lower Set) + ($69.99 - DPMS Lower Parts Kit) + ($324.90 - Magpul Furniture) - TOTAL = $2770.69
• Availability: MA-TEN Monolithic Is Currently Not Being Produced Due to Pending Copyright Lawsuits (They May Still Be Able to Make Them For One of Their Custom Clients) But Comparable Upper/Lower Combos From Mega Arms Have A Fair Availability, All Other Parts Are Easily Obtainable (With A Wait)
• Optic Used: Nightforce NXS F1
• Overall TBP Rating: 8/10
• Pros: Familiar Feel (It's an AR-15 on Steroids), Ergonomics, Takes Magpul PMags & Standard AR-10 Mags, Rugged, Smooth Trigger, Comfortable Cheek Weld, Nice Stock, JP Parts Functioned Well, Reliable, Accurate, Low Recoil, etc.
• Cons: Availability, Weight, Fixed Stock, Length, etc.
MEGA MA-TEN OPTIC:
• Manufacturer: Nightforce
• Model: F1 NXS
• Zoom: 3.5x -- 15x
• Objective Lens: 50mm
• Reticle: NP-RF1
• Tube: 30mm
• Larue Tactical QD LT135
• MSRP: $2,467 (Not Including Rings)

Some of the equipment / accessory brands featured in this review:
- Magpul
- Nightforce
- US Optics
- 5.11
- Blackhawk
- Tru-Spec
- Oakley
- Mechanix
- Remington
- Winchester

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Комментарии:

Автор Rufus Shipman (26 дней)
I don't really care as long as it doesn't fail. Either one is great but,
the ar10 does need a few mods before being as reliable as the scar. The
ar10 can be as reliable as the scar given the right mods.

Автор Ross Jacobs (6 месяцев)
Someone's trigger reset was pretty bad. It was almost like he wanted to
get back off of the trigger as soon as it broke. It's hard to take a
review seriously if the shooter demonstrates lack of follow-through.
Example @ 6:12 = bad technique. He did improve it on a couple of shots.

Автор yd4330 (1 месяц)
+1 on Ross comment. Terrible trigger control and reset. I expected a
comptent shooter for a proper review for long range work. And everyone
knows the first thing you buy is a super scar trigger. Doesn't matter how
much money you spens on glass if you don't have match trigger and don't
know how to use it properly. 

Автор akg 102 (2 месяца)
While the SCAR may be light compared to most commercially produced
AR10/LR308 type rifles, it is still over 9lbs scoped. Why not build
something more sleek and handy, while also shooting for lighter recoil with
an LMOS BCG, adjustable gas block, and good brake? I'm not taking it into
battle, so the perceived reduction in reliability will be a non-issue.

Автор E SIALOI (3 месяца)
Scar17's are nice but at 3k a pop is pretty steep for most and that's about
the only negative I can say. The positives far outweighs the negatives.
When it comes down to accuracy and reliability out of the box it is
unbelievable but compared to an AR10 it isn't really fair because the AR
platform has been around for 57 years. It has evolved and has been
perfected by precision manufacturer's worldwide. FNH has developed a
shorter barrel and manufacturer's will start developing after market parts
as the rifle gains popularity and higher demands for the SCAR's 16 and 17's
platforms. Overall it is a very light, durable and dependable weapons
system that packs a mean punch with the .308 round..Can you ask for more in
a compact design that allows the operator to disassemble and maintain with
a few simple functions. Hope you enjoy and..
Thanks for reading..

Автор bob g (9 месяцев)
did you have a geissele superscar trigger on the 17? It's commonly known
that the purchase of a scar means that you immediately install a superscar,
especially if your going to be doing long range work. It's 200% better, at
least. Transforms the gun.

Автор flspy (1 месяц)
One more advantage- SCAR 17 shoots .308 with low recoil. A big cartridge
that shoots soft is a major advantage

Автор akg 102 (2 месяца)
I currently have a SCAR17 and am starting a Mega MATEN MKM build. I've
calculated the weight of all of the parts and it should come in at ~112.45
ounces. That's almost 15oz lighter than the 17. Granted, the cost is going
to be about 10% higher than the 17, but the weight savings should be worth
it. It's tough to predict accuracy, but it will have a Proof Research heavy
16" carbon fiber barrel; it should be more accurate than the SCAR over the
duration of firing.

Автор 1lostinspace (2 месяца)
You guys should check out the ACSS HUD DMR reticle,

Автор Sumanat Wp วงษ์พิพัฒน์พงษ์ (1 месяц)
FN SCAR 17 vs. MEGA AR-10: .308 Shootout @ 600 Ya…:
http://youtu.be/_98MeKrCzwk

Автор rkwjunior (3 месяца)
I don't think this is an accurate accuracy test, The AR-10 has a match
barrel and JP internals, the SCAR is stock, they should have used a Factory
AR-10, not custom. This says a lot for the SCAR.

In a SHTF scenario i'd take the SCAR, runs like a sewing machine.

Автор mx0069 (3 месяца)
Great video guys thanks for sharing... I'd like see more of these "vs."
videos comparing accuracy, just not from a vehicle mounted shooting
position. My personal experiences have proven this to be very counter
productive when trying to determine precision... thanks again for the vids
and keep'm coming!

Автор Clvmind (5 месяцев)
Finally some people tests assault rifles for the real purpose that they
made for! Most try assault rifles for the distances less than 150
meters/yards but for that range just a MP-5 works perfect, you do not need
any thing more than that! I wish you should also have an AK-47/74 and good
old G-3 to compare with those! As you see, new assault rifles coming out
with less rpm, more accuracy, longer distance, more power etc. compare to
M-4 (as it seen in Afghanistan 7.62 with low rpm works better in battle
field). SCAR 17 is a good example for that! In my own experience G-3 is the
best battle weapon so far, cannot handle dust, mud water ect. as good as
AK, also very heavy but still very accurate and shoot/damages like a
cannon! If you have G-3, MP-5 and M9 Beretta and few hand grenade on you,
battle field is yours! You do not need anything else more than that.

Автор scotty w (4 месяца)
is that a cucv? 

Автор grapeapevine (4 месяца)
holyshit...ive watch this video 5times and just noticed you said what bipod
was on it like 3times....lolololololol

Автор nunya (11 месяцев)
These rifles have some major differences, for a head to head comparison.
1) Barrels - The AR10 has a heavier barrel and is match grade. I didn't
hear what length it was. The SCAR generally comes with a 16" barrel. If
the AR10 has a longer barrel, ballistics would be different. 2) Weight -
Less weight usually means more recoil. Which this test was a table top. 3)
Gas vs. Piston operating system. Gas systems are inherently more accurate
than piston.

Автор Whitehorze (5 месяцев)
A rifle with a mediocre barrel can be shot well if it's fed ammo that it
likes and has a decent trigger.

Neither of those topics were covered. Good gunporn anyway...

Автор semiautoriflelover1 (10 месяцев)
.308/7.62x51 AR rifles have never been very reliable. Go with Scar. 

Автор roughcutone2 (5 месяцев)
Both shooters have crappy triger pulls for distance shooting

Автор john doe (9 месяцев)
Trigger control to much to ask for?

Автор Matthew Witryk (1 год)
Ace and Gary the ambiguously gay duo, lol.... 

Автор Molon Labe (5 месяцев)
Need to add a kestrel 4500 AB to your arsenal

Автор Wolfwolveswolf (8 месяцев)
If I had the money I'd own a SCAR-17 for sure, but I thank G-d for the FAL!

Автор Aaron Hughey (5 месяцев)
Awesomeness

Автор BadBrian303 (6 месяцев)
That dude in the middle should stop talking.

Автор Chau Nguyen (10 месяцев)
California sucks!!! and I live in CA

Автор Birddog sixfourtwofour (3 месяца)
too many crappy mechanics fellas.
And what's with the stupid gloves? Seriously?

Автор raider6511 (5 месяцев)
Sounds nice. Try the SCAR vs FN FAL. ok

Автор MrSottobanco (7 месяцев)
How would a KAC Sr-25 stack up against a SCAR 17?

Автор Michael Hampton (11 месяцев)
Nice review, but I think for an "all out war" review of a battle
rifle should of been done while 1) shooting in the prone and off hand 2)
single shots and rapid fire 3) shooting on the move. That is what a battle
rifle is about (besides throwing some sand and water in the chamber
area). It would have been a ball watching this review of you guys try to
hit the target and trying to control that AR10 while rapid firing. I know
my SCAR-17s gets pretty boring rapid firing while holding on target. Its
that good.
The AR10 was customized for long range shooting in the prone with the match
barrel, chamber, trigger and stock.This should have been compared to the
SSR. But to even things a little put a Timney or Geissele trigger in the
SCAR and you have a sub MOA battle rifle. Add a VLTOR SCAR stock adapter
with and a Magpul PSR stock you got yourself a sub 1/2 MOA semi auto sniper
rifle. Load up some 150 grain SMK, 42.5gr varget, lapua brass with federal
match primers and you're at 1/4' MOA easy. Anyways it still was a pretty
good review keep them coming.
.

Автор Zachery Petersen (11 месяцев)
It's an rifle NOT a gun. Guess Gary was never in the military.

Автор PigIron BigIron (8 месяцев)
The ambiguously gay duo? C'mon now...

Автор Drew T (1 год)
everyone's a fucking expert these days. nice video fellas. ignore the know
it all douchbaggery being posted. I'm not sure if i would shoot that scar
or just rub it all over my balls but either way its a good day. 

Автор Johnny Pea (8 месяцев)
where was this video shot? Pretty country.

Автор Sean Kendor (8 месяцев)
Good job. Nice Video. My 2 cents.. you guys have to do better camera work,
if you want to be semi-professional. Like some of your shots, just a
little off. Maybe one more camera, or a better editor. Either way, good
job.... for just some guys, having fun. 

Автор ThaiTan Corner (9 месяцев)
What are you comparing number of hits by each shooters. Is it accuracy
between the two or designs the video just shoe bang bang no definitive data
collected ammo shots info, moa results not much accept displaying the guns
and optics. Good luck on next video just shows 100-200-300 yards shots best
shooter best groups would be more interesting 

Автор whocaresanyway (8 месяцев)
3k for a scar that even special forces hate or you can build a mint custom
308 for 1500$...that's made by us companies, out of metal....Not plastic.
If I want a toy gun I'll go to Wal-Mart

Автор Roger Judd (10 месяцев)


Автор DFOOSKING (1 год)
Ace? Gary?

THE AMBIGUOUSLY GAY DUO!

LOL

Автор Holesinsocks (1 год)
The person below is correct, I for example own an AR-10. Armalite. If you
are referring to a DPMS,Knight-Reed, Etc, it is not an Armalite. The
"general speaking terms" people use can cause purchasing errors, etc. 

Автор TheBarrett107 (7 месяцев)
I'm telling you the Scar is Beast!!!!

Автор Andre Williams (5 месяцев)
Yeah you cant give one a match grade barrel and not the other lol.

Автор DIY Weapons (1 год)
Great video guys - I like how you guys offer 3 difference perspectives. The
only feedback from us is it would of been nice to hear what you went
through to zero in both rifles. Thanks again. And drop by our forums - we
would love to have your videos posted (along with any write-ups). 

Автор adolfhitmaker (9 месяцев)
you fags wear those gloves when you jack each other off?

Автор Chau Nguyen (10 месяцев)
that is a cal legal scar 17s?

Автор grapeapevine (4 месяца)
what bipods are those????

Автор dadougro (10 месяцев)
I wish they were hitting paper to truly see the level of accuracy and
consistency. Maybe next time. To hit a 15" circle and say one was more
accurate doesnt make sense as real world targets may be smaller, much
smaller.

Автор THE LAST BATTLE NATION SURVIVOR (6 месяцев)
scar wins hands down!

Автор spencer cupit (1 год)
what would make a 10/10 rating for you? I just got a mega arms with rainer
barrel, Im deployed and cant play with it until I get home so I will not
know what I think for anouther 5 months. I had a chance to get a SCAR H
and thought it would be a better buy. I have a M1A I am sending to
springfield to have some work done to it but I thought about seeling both
of those to pay for the SCAR and get extra parts. Just curiuos? thanks.

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