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Air Traffic Control: Near Miss at JFK



An Aerogal Boeing 767 attempts to land on the wrong runway at New York's JFK airport, nearly colliding with a Jetblue rolling for take off. The tower air traffic controller sorts it out and a collision is averted. Audio from Liveatc.net.

The Aerogal had been cleared for a Parkway Visual Approach (Canarsie Approach) to runway 13L and had subsequently been cleared to land on 13L. The procedure resembles circling procedures such as the legendary Kai Tak IGS to 13, albeit with less drama due to the absence of mountainous terrain.
Once at the Canarsie VOR, planes fly a 041 heading along the Shore Parkway (the main visual reference) and then begin a right turn to either 13R or 13L (typically 13L is used because it is a wider, easier turn). The primary visual aid, especially at night, is provided by clusters of lead-in lights. The first cluster is approximately 2 miles from the threshold of 13R.
When cleared for 13L, pilots begin a slight right turn at the first cluster, then follow two more clusters and initiate a tight right turn to line up with the runway, where the fourth and last cluster of lights is located. This video gives you an idea of what it looks like at night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZXgIVkI8gQ
Now, to line up for 13R, pilots must have initiated a tight right turn at the first cluster to enter a 2 mile final. For the Delta pilots on the ground to spot the mistake, the plane must have been already lined up with 13R, so it could not have been much more than a mile away. By the time Delta warned the tower and the controller issued the go-around, the Aerogal must have been quite close to the threshold.

Un piloto de Aerogal confunde pista 13L por 13R y casi ocasiona un serio accidente.

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Комментарии:

Автор Daniel Charry (2 месяца)
Yeah what you like - Position and Hold!

Love this man at Tower :)

Автор PROFESSIONAL PILOT (4 месяца)
FOR US -THE FOREIGN PILOTS, SOMETIMES, IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO CATCH THE
NEW YORK ATC OFFICERS FAST AND NO STANDARD PHRASEOLOGY 

Автор e633xx (5 месяцев)
Who put that slow idiot in charge of a HEAVY?

Автор pacidessi (2 года)
I would have made a left turn towards the tower, dumped some fuel on it,
passed over it a second time in order to ignite it with the hot exhaust.
Seriously, in other countries this controller would have gotten help, in
some forced. Pilots and controllers make mistakes, no need to loose
temperament, makes things worse. It distracts, in this example the pilot
overshot the assigned altitude.

Автор dc1030guy (1 год)
I agree 100%. The New York controllers get overly excited very easily.
Sure, this pilot made a mistake. But the system worked. Somebody caught the
mistake and pointed it out to everyone. Go-arounds are demanding because
the pilots' aren't usually expecting them. Throw in a cranky controller,
and the cockpit stress becomes extremely high. I believe this controller
actually creates an unsafe situation by getting upset and scaring the
pilots.

Автор flyingtrashbin (3 года)
@Quillons1 yeah, i trust your opinion since it has been carefully
considered. let it be so, they both shitted there in the cockpit. i guess
there are lots of pilots like these as long as they go on making safe
landings while confusing left to right.

Автор Daniel Mori (3 года)
@YorranSlik Just a wrong readback. It happens.

Автор Jerzy Daszkiewicz (2 года)
How much ATController average salary at such airport? Job seems to be a
little bit stressful.

Автор bigdawg8369 (10 месяцев)
I understand that controllers and pilots alike all have an attitude. Fact
of the matter is he lined up for the wrong rwy. That's no on elses fault
but the pilot/co-pilot. He told him to climb and maintain 2000 and the
pilot was passing 2400 when the controller told him to stop. And as per the
FAA 7110.65 you may use plain language in place of standard phraseology
when needed.

Автор oneofthemdeals (3 года)
have you noticed now the JFK controllers now use the wording "Line up &
Wait" rather than "position and hold" i wonder why? - i ve noticed
listening to Haneda (Japan) ATC they too use "line up & wait" phrase.

Автор david Last (1 год)
the controlers did nothing wrong in the Avainca crash The pilot never
declared a fuel emergency which is the proper procedure. I am very sorry
for the loss of life The controllers that day had alto to deal with with
bad weather. They are not mind readers.

Автор Yorran Slik (3 года)
First it was KLM645, then it was KL644? :)

Автор dc1030guy (8 месяцев)
Seriously Bigdawg, it's you in the video isn't it?

Автор Stojan75 (2 года)
Note to self: Don´t fly Aerogal!

Автор JDProductionsINC (2 года)
@oneofthemdeals Being a pilot myself, the FAA changed this back in the fall
of 2010. The reason for this is that everyone else in the world uses "Line
up and wait." Being part of ICAO, we strive to have consistency throughout
aviation around the world. Also, because english is not some of the pilots'
first language, "Line up and wait" is clearer and more direct, believe it
or not.

Автор Jerry Shen (1 год)
Delta Pilot's have good eyes! I just heard them catching a blown tire in
another video and now this!

Автор jbskies (3 года)
@oneofthemdeals FAA decided to use the ICAO phraselogy "line up and wait"
starting from 2010-9-30

Автор connellrocraymond (3 года)
outcha pilot of delta 122. Quick thinking indeed. ATC did well too.
Potential disaster avoided.

Автор 3agamsta (2 года)
@JiS01 the accident you talk about happened just 2 or 3 weaks ago while
this video was uploaded about 8 month ago , and egypt air does not have the
boeing 767

Автор AV8R (1 год)
good catch Delta

Автор Daniel Mori (2 года)
@fastfiddler1625 "Line up and wait" was used worldwide, it made sense for
the US to go along and adhere to the same standard. I have also heard that
"position and hold" is believed by some to be too similar to "position and
go" - which isn't really standard phraseology, but could still be confused
by non-native English speakers: I don't know if this second interpretation
has any merit - I think the idea was simply to adhere to the worldwide
aviation English standard of "Line up and wait".

Автор Joel Nilsson Hedekäll (8 месяцев)
I understand there is a logic behind it but the logic doesn't always
conform to practice. Isn't it absolutely evident here that 13L should be
called 13L and 13R should be called 14R. Yes, there would be 2 logical
runways on one physical but at least the risk of disaster is lowered. The
language barrier is shit - it must be taken in consideration when naming
stuff. Some pilots dont seem to know english. You could even throw color
names in there or whatever. More unique names, less misstakes.

Автор jfsa380 (2 года)
those aerogal pilots are like, "wait, what?" they are soooo slooooow

Автор Marco g (2 года)
the pilot of the airline removed the license by the civil aviation
authority of Ecuador

Автор GTAGIS (1 год)
It was former company Avianca Ecuador !

Автор mjl1966y (1 год)
New York area controllers are notorious for their attitude. This is what
they sound like on pretty much any ATC video yo watch. Some pilots are
actually intimidated by them, which makes bad situations worse in some
cases. One pilot actually ran out of fuel before landing because he was
afraid of the controller.

Автор bigdawg8369 (8 месяцев)
So it took you weeks to say that controllers and pilots both have assholes.
not everyone at JFK is an asshole. As i keep saying when you have a shit
load of acft that you need to get out of your airport then you would
understand that they dont have time for fuck ups. Whats funny is you seem
to stand by the pilot like he did nothing wrong this whole time. He lined
up for the WRONG RUNWAY and went THROUGH an ASSIGNED ALTITUDE. PILOT ERROR
is what this is called not controller is an asshole.

Автор dfc99nyc (10 месяцев)
JFK very quick and professional. Good job.

Автор Emery Board (7 месяцев)
aerogal left the frequency at 3:25 and gets called at 3:41. Is the
controler AWAKE?

Автор fastfiddler1625 (2 года)
To the guy who mentioned this. The phraseology "Line up and wait" has
replaced "position and hold". I don't know why, to me "position and hold"
sounds more professional.

Автор creamyfilling102 (1 год)
i don't think that guy knows what he's doing.

Автор Quillons1 (3 года)
@flyingtrashbin The initial "mistake" is one thing, a bad one but
forgivable. Not following clear instructions to turn, maintain altitude,
and switch frequencies is all indicative of someone floding under pressure.
The guy bailed out and panicked under a little bit of strain. As someone
who flies that airspace often I can tell you, this wasn't one mistake he
made. This guy should be violated.

Автор dc1030guy (10 месяцев)
I've operated as a pilot internationally for nearly 20 years. Simply put,
there aren't any other controllers out there that are as big of assholes
like the JFK controllers. Look at all of the YouTube videos/recordings of
them online. I guess its that NY attitude (rolls eyes). The controller did
yell, departed from standard FAA or ICAO phraseology, and gave the altitude
restriction for the go-around very late resulting in the crew to over
shoot. Staying calm and professional is essential.

Автор ualtim (3 года)
Line Up and Wait is replacing Taxi into position and hold to conform to
ICAO standards. Apparently, some folks were confusing "taxi into position
and hold" with taxi into position and go so the verbiage has been changed.

Автор angelfuree (3 года)
@oneofthemdeals They switched to ICAO phraseology. I think this change
happened in the US in 2009 or 2010. No more "position and hold."

Автор dc1030guy (8 месяцев)
This makes no sense to me. How would 14R be any safer than 13R?

Автор mariodela (2 года)
I feel bad for this guy, in the airport im training a private pilot lost
his license because he crossed the line! he was told to hold short runway
13 and he crossed it, so i dont know what happened to this guy, i guess he
lost his license or at least he got grounded, you can't mistake runways
like that, anyway this pilots were flying an old 767 from ecuador. Any
pilot that flies that 767 for about 8 hours has to be really tired at the
end, he was really scared the atc wasn't helping the guy :(

Автор plsniper (7 месяцев)
Very true. As for New York controllers, many of them are assholes. This one
definitely was not one of them.

Автор Searay.rs (10 месяцев)
It'[s not only them. Almost all airlines from the spanish speaking area
should be banned from US airspace. Iberia,AeroGal,Avianca...etc Iberia
nearly caused the crash at the rw at JFK cause the flight crew was NOT
SPEAKING English at all....How idiotic is that? And everywhere thay arrive
(Iberia) thay cause a problem or even an emergancy. I would realy like to
hear some atc from europe with them involved...that would be intresting.

Автор risen25 (3 года)
@oneofthemdeals LOLOL so let me guess your some wanna pilot who has never
touched the controls of an aircraft and who thinks he knows all right? Im
guessing your some young 16 year old prick kid who has no clue what the
fuck he is talking about. I answered your question grow some nuts and take
it vagina. get real. Only kids make comments like that on youtube.

Автор bigdawg8369 (10 месяцев)
just a lil fyi there is NO PROPER phraseology to tell someone they are
lined up for the wrong rwy. Controller did what he HAD to do to prevent an
accident plain and simple. That's why they are some of the best in the
business bc they get the job done

Автор flyer737sw (1 год)
And that is the reason why you are trained to look at the approach end and
departure ends of the runway before taking the active.

Автор RIXLAZZZ (2 года)
lol he is pissed at that french pilot

Автор phillyslasher (10 месяцев)
LOL the Jet Blue at 3:30 sounds like that guy who awkwardly chimes in after
two people have been in a noisy argument.

Автор oneofthemdeals (3 года)
@zseartcc25 u just showed who's child like with those classy profound words
u just came up with. u showed a lot of sophistication.

Автор mmissthangg1 (3 года)
it just goes to show that pilots have to be the eyes and ear for each other
too.

Автор Eheld786 (3 года)
I bet that guy got "the phone number to call"

Автор Sean H (3 года)
"Line up and wait" is the new policy in the USA. The rest of the ATC world
uses "Line up and wait" so the USA decided to change the verbage to be in
uniform with the rest of the world.

Автор Mark Emanuele (1 год)
(Continuation)The ry that was lit seemed to be the Wrong one. at the time
TEB twr was closed but FSS was operating on the tower freq. I looked out of
my window and saw a big EASTERN AIR LINES sign, and knew I was at the wrong
airport. I went back to apc freq, and a very embarressed controller was
waiting nervously for me to come back. He vectored me to Newark (EWR) by
mistake. Thank God it was 3AM and not 3PM.

Автор Mark Emanuele (1 год)
I have flown that approach many times, and the first time I did, it was a
little confusing as to where the runway was. Ry 13 L is quite a distance
from 13 R. Still no excuse, If you look at the approach plate it becomes
obvious which is which especially when you look for the approach lights...

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