Air Traffic Control: Near Miss at JFK

An Aerogal Boeing 767 attempts to land on the wrong runway at New York's JFK airport, nearly colliding with a Jetblue rolling for take off. The tower air traffic controller sorts it out and a collision is averted. Audio from Liveatc.net.

The Aerogal had been cleared for a Parkway Visual Approach (Canarsie Approach) to runway 13L and had subsequently been cleared to land on 13L. The procedure resembles circling procedures such as the legendary Kai Tak IGS to 13, albeit with less drama due to the absence of mountainous terrain.
Once at the Canarsie VOR, planes fly a 041 heading along the Shore Parkway (the main visual reference) and then begin a right turn to either 13R or 13L (typically 13L is used because it is a wider, easier turn). The primary visual aid, especially at night, is provided by clusters of lead-in lights. The first cluster is approximately 2 miles from the threshold of 13R.
When cleared for 13L, pilots begin a slight right turn at the first cluster, then follow two more clusters and initiate a tight right turn to line up with the runway, where the fourth and last cluster of lights is located. This video gives you an idea of what it looks like at night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZXgIVkI8gQ
Now, to line up for 13R, pilots must have initiated a tight right turn at the first cluster to enter a 2 mile final. For the Delta pilots on the ground to spot the mistake, the plane must have been already lined up with 13R, so it could not have been much more than a mile away. By the time Delta warned the tower and the controller issued the go-around, the Aerogal must have been quite close to the threshold.

Un piloto de Aerogal confunde pista 13L por 13R y casi ocasiona un serio accidente.

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Автор Joe Patroni (1 месяц)
Aerogal 700 pull up and go around. Fly heading 200 and maintain 2000 feet.
End of story. ...Fucktard controller.

Автор cmdmd (2 месяца)
Sometimes comms are not very clear for every pilot. I can understand him
fine, but I would have asked him to repeat a couple of transmissions for


Автор Brian Wong (1 год)
This isn't a "near miss". If you nearly missed, it means you fucking
crashed! This is a near hit. 

Автор Thomas Bolko (1 год)
No matter what the pilot of the heavy recognized that he was cleared for
13L. So you can't say that he didn't understand the controller because he
apparently did.

Автор iu hoosier (1 год)
Joe Cool Controller, Steve Abraham shows in this tape why he is not as Cool
as he thinks he is. There is a reason there are windows in towers. That
is to look out of them to see what your traffic is doing. Obviously Joe
Cool was too busy doing something else and had to have a pilot do his job
for him. Nice call Delta, too bad Cool Steve did not catch what he was
supposed to. Then when he is given the heads up by Delta Mr Joe Cool loses
his shit and becomes Mr Nervous Controller. This guy should have been
pulled from position and sent downstairs to think about his job and why he
is paid $150,000 per year. As you can tell, all the pilots on the
frequency do not trust Mr Joe Cool Steve and start questions all of his
calls after this stunt. So much for Mr Joe Cool Controller . You are a
disgrace to our profession AU REVOIR Steve.

Автор e633xx (1 год)
Who put that slow idiot in charge of a HEAVY?

Автор Daniel Charry (1 год)
Yeah what you like - Position and Hold!

Love this man at Tower :)

Автор dc1030guy (2 года)
I agree 100%. The New York controllers get overly excited very easily.
Sure, this pilot made a mistake. But the system worked. Somebody caught the
mistake and pointed it out to everyone. Go-arounds are demanding because
the pilots' aren't usually expecting them. Throw in a cranky controller,
and the cockpit stress becomes extremely high. I believe this controller
actually creates an unsafe situation by getting upset and scaring the

Автор flyingtrashbin (4 года)
@Quillons1 yeah, i trust your opinion since it has been carefully
considered. let it be so, they both shitted there in the cockpit. i guess
there are lots of pilots like these as long as they go on making safe
landings while confusing left to right.

Автор Daniel Mori (4 года)
@YorranSlik Just a wrong readback. It happens.

Автор Jerzy Daszkiewicz (3 года)
How much ATController average salary at such airport? Job seems to be a
little bit stressful.

Автор bigdawg8369 (1 год)
I understand that controllers and pilots alike all have an attitude. Fact
of the matter is he lined up for the wrong rwy. That's no on elses fault
but the pilot/co-pilot. He told him to climb and maintain 2000 and the
pilot was passing 2400 when the controller told him to stop. And as per the
FAA 7110.65 you may use plain language in place of standard phraseology
when needed.

Автор oneofthemdeals (4 года)
have you noticed now the JFK controllers now use the wording "Line up &
Wait" rather than "position and hold" i wonder why? - i ve noticed
listening to Haneda (Japan) ATC they too use "line up & wait" phrase.

Автор david lewis (2 года)
the controlers did nothing wrong in the Avainca crash The pilot never
declared a fuel emergency which is the proper procedure. I am very sorry
for the loss of life The controllers that day had alto to deal with with
bad weather. They are not mind readers.

Автор Yorran Slik (4 года)
First it was KLM645, then it was KL644? :)

Автор dc1030guy (1 год)
Seriously Bigdawg, it's you in the video isn't it?

Автор Stojan75 (3 года)
Note to self: Don´t fly Aerogal!

Автор JDProductionsINC (3 года)
@oneofthemdeals Being a pilot myself, the FAA changed this back in the fall
of 2010. The reason for this is that everyone else in the world uses "Line
up and wait." Being part of ICAO, we strive to have consistency throughout
aviation around the world. Also, because english is not some of the pilots'
first language, "Line up and wait" is clearer and more direct, believe it
or not.

Автор Jerry Shen (2 года)
Delta Pilot's have good eyes! I just heard them catching a blown tire in
another video and now this!

Автор jbskies (4 года)
@oneofthemdeals FAA decided to use the ICAO phraselogy "line up and wait"
starting from 2010-9-30

Автор connellrocraymond (4 года)
outcha pilot of delta 122. Quick thinking indeed. ATC did well too.
Potential disaster avoided.

Автор AV8R (2 года)
good catch Delta

Автор Daniel Mori (3 года)
@fastfiddler1625 "Line up and wait" was used worldwide, it made sense for
the US to go along and adhere to the same standard. I have also heard that
"position and hold" is believed by some to be too similar to "position and
go" - which isn't really standard phraseology, but could still be confused
by non-native English speakers: I don't know if this second interpretation
has any merit - I think the idea was simply to adhere to the worldwide
aviation English standard of "Line up and wait".

Автор Joel Nilsson Hedekäll (1 год)
I understand there is a logic behind it but the logic doesn't always
conform to practice. Isn't it absolutely evident here that 13L should be
called 13L and 13R should be called 14R. Yes, there would be 2 logical
runways on one physical but at least the risk of disaster is lowered. The
language barrier is shit - it must be taken in consideration when naming
stuff. Some pilots dont seem to know english. You could even throw color
names in there or whatever. More unique names, less misstakes.

Автор jfsa380 (3 года)
those aerogal pilots are like, "wait, what?" they are soooo slooooow

Автор Marco g (3 года)
the pilot of the airline removed the license by the civil aviation
authority of Ecuador

Автор GTAGIS (2 года)
It was former company Avianca Ecuador !

Автор mjl1966y (2 года)
New York area controllers are notorious for their attitude. This is what
they sound like on pretty much any ATC video yo watch. Some pilots are
actually intimidated by them, which makes bad situations worse in some
cases. One pilot actually ran out of fuel before landing because he was
afraid of the controller.

Автор bigdawg8369 (1 год)
So it took you weeks to say that controllers and pilots both have assholes.
not everyone at JFK is an asshole. As i keep saying when you have a shit
load of acft that you need to get out of your airport then you would
understand that they dont have time for fuck ups. Whats funny is you seem
to stand by the pilot like he did nothing wrong this whole time. He lined
is what this is called not controller is an asshole.

Автор dfc99nyc (1 год)
JFK very quick and professional. Good job.

Автор Emery Board (1 год)
aerogal left the frequency at 3:25 and gets called at 3:41. Is the
controler AWAKE?

Автор fastfiddler1625 (3 года)
To the guy who mentioned this. The phraseology "Line up and wait" has
replaced "position and hold". I don't know why, to me "position and hold"
sounds more professional.

Автор creamyfilling102 (2 года)
i don't think that guy knows what he's doing.

Автор Quillons1 (4 года)
@flyingtrashbin The initial "mistake" is one thing, a bad one but
forgivable. Not following clear instructions to turn, maintain altitude,
and switch frequencies is all indicative of someone floding under pressure.
The guy bailed out and panicked under a little bit of strain. As someone
who flies that airspace often I can tell you, this wasn't one mistake he
made. This guy should be violated.

Автор dc1030guy (1 год)
I've operated as a pilot internationally for nearly 20 years. Simply put,
there aren't any other controllers out there that are as big of assholes
like the JFK controllers. Look at all of the YouTube videos/recordings of
them online. I guess its that NY attitude (rolls eyes). The controller did
yell, departed from standard FAA or ICAO phraseology, and gave the altitude
restriction for the go-around very late resulting in the crew to over
shoot. Staying calm and professional is essential.

Автор ualtim (4 года)
Line Up and Wait is replacing Taxi into position and hold to conform to
ICAO standards. Apparently, some folks were confusing "taxi into position
and hold" with taxi into position and go so the verbiage has been changed.

Автор angelfuree (4 года)
@oneofthemdeals They switched to ICAO phraseology. I think this change
happened in the US in 2009 or 2010. No more "position and hold."

Автор dc1030guy (1 год)
This makes no sense to me. How would 14R be any safer than 13R?

Автор Martin Riviere (3 года)
I feel bad for this guy, in the airport im training a private pilot lost
his license because he crossed the line! he was told to hold short runway
13 and he crossed it, so i dont know what happened to this guy, i guess he
lost his license or at least he got grounded, you can't mistake runways
like that, anyway this pilots were flying an old 767 from ecuador. Any
pilot that flies that 767 for about 8 hours has to be really tired at the
end, he was really scared the atc wasn't helping the guy :(

Автор plsniper (1 год)
Very true. As for New York controllers, many of them are assholes. This one
definitely was not one of them.

Автор Searay.rs (1 год)
It'[s not only them. Almost all airlines from the spanish speaking area
should be banned from US airspace. Iberia,AeroGal,Avianca...etc Iberia
nearly caused the crash at the rw at JFK cause the flight crew was NOT
SPEAKING English at all....How idiotic is that? And everywhere thay arrive
(Iberia) thay cause a problem or even an emergancy. I would realy like to
hear some atc from europe with them involved...that would be intresting.

Автор risen25 (4 года)
@oneofthemdeals LOLOL so let me guess your some wanna pilot who has never
touched the controls of an aircraft and who thinks he knows all right? Im
guessing your some young 16 year old prick kid who has no clue what the
fuck he is talking about. I answered your question grow some nuts and take
it vagina. get real. Only kids make comments like that on youtube.

Автор bigdawg8369 (1 год)
just a lil fyi there is NO PROPER phraseology to tell someone they are
lined up for the wrong rwy. Controller did what he HAD to do to prevent an
accident plain and simple. That's why they are some of the best in the
business bc they get the job done

Автор flyer737sw (2 года)
And that is the reason why you are trained to look at the approach end and
departure ends of the runway before taking the active.

Автор RIXLAZZZ (3 года)
lol he is pissed at that french pilot

Автор phillyslasher (1 год)
LOL the Jet Blue at 3:30 sounds like that guy who awkwardly chimes in after
two people have been in a noisy argument.

Автор oneofthemdeals (4 года)
@zseartcc25 u just showed who's child like with those classy profound words
u just came up with. u showed a lot of sophistication.

Автор mmissthangg1 (4 года)
it just goes to show that pilots have to be the eyes and ear for each other

Автор Eheld786 (4 года)
I bet that guy got "the phone number to call"

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