Replacing My Car Battery with Capacitors! 12V BoostPack Update

Testing to see if capacitors can make a traditional 12V battery obsolete. Plus an update on the original BoostPack.
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Автор joe a (1 месяц)
This here ladies and gentlemen... is how you destroy your alternator and
possibly much of your electrical system.

Автор Penfold 'OoO' (2 месяца)
How much money would a capacitor-based car battery save you?

An often-quoted number is that hauling 100lbs around in your car adds 1% to
fuel consumption. If you remove a 30lb battery then you save 0.3% of your
fuel bill. If you are spending $50 per week on fuel (the average for
Australian drivers), this adds up to $2600 per year. 0.3% of $2600 is
$7.80 per year in reduced weight leading to better fuel economy.

Capacitors can be recharged hundreds of thousands (to millions) of times,
unlike lead-acid car batteries which will be dead after one (or two)
thousand cycles (at the most). If you replace your lead-acid car battery
every 4 years, you would have to change the equivalent capacitor-based car
battery every 400–4,000 years. So, in effect, you would never need to
replace it (nor would your children, or their children, or their
children...). Since a car battery might cost you about $100 every four
years, you are spending $25 per year on lead-acid car batteries.

A capacitor-based car battery would thus save you $25 + $7.80 = $32.80 (on
lead-acid battery replacement costs and in improved fuel economy) each and
every year.

Over the course of a 50-year driving career (20–70), you will have saved 50
* 32.80 = $1,640. If, on each anniversary of installing the
capacitor-based battery, you added the $32.80 you just saved in the
previous year into a bank account earning 5% interest, when you retire from
driving you would have about $6,900 sitting in the account. Give the
battery (and the account) to a grand-child and get them to do the same, and
they would retire from driving with $85,600 in the bank. If your
grand-child does the same thing, then your great-great grand-child will
retire from driving, with the exact same battery, 150 years after after you
built it, with $989,000 in the bank... Great-great grand-dad sure was a
smart fella.

Moving away from lead-acid batteries makes sound financial sense, provided
you think ahead far enough.

Автор Cynthia Avishegnath (1 месяц)
Low end lead-acid car battery
= 12V x 24 Amp Hours.
= 0.15 cubic foot
= 18 lbs
= $65

Lead acid cannot be discharged below 1/3 (33.3%) without damaging battery.
Therefore effective amp hour ~= 16 Amp Hour @ 12V.

Compared with
12 V x 1 amp hour
= 5 x 2.4V (overvoltaged at 2.7V) x 3600 amp seconds
= 5 x 3600 x {1 Farad 2.7V boostcaps}
= 36 x { 500 F 2.7V boostcaps}

That is presuming we overcome the series capacitance being reduced by using
a regulator/switching circuit.

12V @ 16 Amp hour
= 36 x 16 x { 500 F 2.7V boostcaps}
= 576 { 500 F 2.7V boostcaps}
= 576 x 0.0028 cubic ft + spacing allowances ~= 576 x 0.003
~= 1.73 cubic ft
= 576 x 0.15 lbs
= 5.4 lbs + 2 lbs of harnessing frame + 1 lb of charging/discharging
regulator / switcher
= 8.4 lbs
= 576 x $15
= $864 + $50? homemade regulator / switcher + $?? homemade frame.

Without the regulator / switcher, you would have to multiply the number of
boostcaps by 5, which would make your supercapacitor battery-replacement
array heavier than the battery being replaced. Not to mention the size.

The regulator would be a 2.4 V - 12V step-up / step-down charge /
discharge. Efficiency of regulator = 90% ? at most ?? So you have to add
10%, 15% more boostcaps to compensate.

The alternative without the efficiency loss is an intelligent
parallel/series charge/discharge switching circuit.

Also, you SHOULD NOT charge boostcaps in series without a balancing circuit
across them, to ensure their 2.7V individual threshold is not violated. The
balancing circuit will cost you either efficiency (passive cct) or extra
money (active circuit).

You seem to be oblivious, not only to the reduction in capacitance but also
to the damage you are risking in charging the supercaps, when placed in

Hours of happiness constructing an expensive over-sized battery replacement
= priceless.
Damage due to charging boostcaps in series = ???

Now compare with $350, 150 Amp Hour, 100 lb, 0.75 cubic ft high end

Автор Mallrick (3 часа)
well i dont think the alternator will charge this..loll but if your baterry
is dead and u dont have anyone to boost its realy nice!! i need 1 for

Автор TheLuismondo (3 месяца)
Capacitors in series divide the value of 1 of them by the number of
capacitors (if they are the same value)
Capacitors in parallel multiply the value of 1 of them by the number of
capacitors (if they are the same value)
So if each one of them is 350Fs and you have 6, you can either have 2100Fs
in paralel (you need them to be rated at more than 16 volts) or 58.3Fs in

Автор Stephen Furr (7 дней)
I agree... I saw the terminals on the other end getting close to the steel
battery mounting plate and thought "That would suck if he shorted that to
the frame."
Then he wrapped it in a sock to insulate it. (Face palm)

Автор fortyninepages (4 месяца)
If this is possible, wouldn't it have already been marketed and sold in
shops as an emergency start up battery? I know I'd buy one. Just needs a
case and crocodile clips.

Автор Fennecbutt (14 дней)
And what if you want to use your lights or stereo while you're parked?

Oh wait, this is America...you just leave your gas guzzling Hummer

Автор electronicsNmore (4 месяца)
Impressive since the capacitor bank is rated 16.2V / 58 Farads.

Автор Jeff Evenson (2 месяца)
30 years ago-on a 650 BSA Thunderbolt, I got tired of changing battery's
due to the vibration where I rode, so using only 1 large Capacitor with a
zenior diode and it always started on one kick. What the trick here is to
Use them like he does, but with the battery as that way the battery and
starter will last longer due to less voltage drop on first crank.

Автор Andrew Lucky (4 месяца)
this is fake, he turned on the car with his keys at 2:43. 

Автор Marcos Borges (4 дня)
bien, no es todo pero ya es algo, la baterias son muy malas al planeta!
tenemos que encontrar forma de reemplazerlas ya!

Автор T Oadaly (20 дней)
Pretty cool, as long as you don't try running the lights and radio off
battery. ...most people don't anyway, but know that you really can't with

Автор Max Power (7 дней)
I see a lot of negative comments but where is your REAL WORLD experiments
on the matter??? Look up supercap experiments on the web there are a lot of
experiments going on and even items for sale so it must be working for
someone just as it is working for him and his car.

Автор John Wiggins (2 месяца)
I have a new found respect for capacitors...

Автор Marcos Borges (4 дня)
mmm, se me ocurre algo, y si pusiera en sistema con ladrón de Jouly para
autocargar los capacitores, ¿funcionaría?

Автор TheBikemaster94 (2 дня)
what would you do for overcharge Protection? I plan on building one from
Li-ion batteries using 2 12VBattery holders that take 8AA batteries each.

Автор John Doe (1 месяц)
I hear you talking about possibly making a hybrid battery. If you are
considering any lithium ion type cells be very careful how you charge them.
When charged and discharged wrong they can explode or catch fire. I am
not trying to say that you can not use them safely but if you want to use
them like that safely you will need a specialized charging circuit. You
might even need something custom made because lithium ion can be fussy
about how you charge and discharge them. If you do decide to use them I
hope it works safely. Lithium ion cells are lightweight as you might
already know and so that is one reason to consider them but I would be
scared to use them in my car unless it was made for them. Capacitors on
the other hand seem much safer.

Автор Dylan Thorner (1 месяц)
Cool! I plan on making a cap bank like this for an inverter. Thanks for

Автор Izzy Blackout (15 дней)
I've seen the datasheet for that caps, the maximum operating temperature is
65 degree celcius. Need to be extra cautious with that because i think the
engine could be running higher than that. You probably don't want the
capacitor to blow up cause if the caps blow up, it's gonna get nasty

Автор Adam Colon (2 месяца)
I'm confused what the point of replacing the 12V battery with the
You lose the consistent reliable features of the battery.

Is the upside simply that it's smaller and lighter?

Is it worth it?

Автор Leslie Willoughby (2 месяца)
One thing to note: He started on 10v in this video-neat but low voltage is
extremely harmful to a starter. Obviously depending on the crank time, and
the starter load but low voltage will actually heat up on the brush end of
the starter and melt the solder out of the commutator bars.

The car's computer is maintaining a memory and that is what pulls down the
caps. It is usually about a 1/2 amp load-continuous. You could probably
remedy that by throwing a solar cell on the dash.

It gave me some ideas....

Автор Ken MacMillan (5 месяцев)
What's the point of this?

Автор anubis1100 (1 месяц)
one thing im worried about with this pack is the energy overload of the 350
farad caps when the alternator is at high output. i know when you
overcharge a capacitor it has a tendency to blow up. the 2600 farad caps i
can understand them not blowing due to the high energy storage, but the
smaller 350 farad ones dont have that kind or leeway.

Автор 1Shignog (4 дня)
Also i can let my truck sit ofr a week or 2 or 3 and not have to worries
about it being dead.

Автор stonner2k (1 месяц)
what would you have done if on Monday morning on the way to work it didn't
start up?? would you have just jumped it with one of the other ones? I also
take it you could carry one in the boot or trunk as you would say as a
buster just encase you ever need a buster?

Автор Cynthia Avishegnath (1 месяц)
A supercapacitor is not actually a capacitor.

It is an electrolytic oxidation reduction process, in which the electrodes
are not chemically involved.

It is a pseudo-capacitor, using battery technology. But because there is no
ox-redux on electrodes, charging/discharging is phenomenally higher than
usual batteries.

Without playing with words, it is actually a battery. A battery where
technology has managed to decouple the electrodes from the electrolyte.

Therefore, it is not like the usual electrostatic capacitor, because you
cannot reverse the polarity. Therefore, you cannot use it for analogue
circuit boards without biasing and limiting the whole circuit to its
midpoint voltage.

Because it involves an electrolyte, *it has a limited lifespan*, unlike
electrostatic capacitors. The lifespan of a supercap is probably between 5
- 10 times that of a lead-acid.

It is not actually a capacitor. It is a pseudo-capacitor. It is a battery
that *somewhat* conforms to C = q/V.

There will come a time, when voltage latency will be prolonged in such
supercapacitors or in alternative of nanotube technologies. When that
happens, its voltage profile would no longer conform to C = q/V but to
usual batteries, and then could we still call them "capacitors" ?

We have to wait till the engineers at MIT perfect their graphene nanotube
capacitors. What are they doing? It's been 3 years since they announced it.
Or was it 5 years ago? No progress? Are they selling a pipe / tube dream?

Автор bruce kazakos (1 месяц)
the radio does not consume that much current,but on the other hand,if you
switched on the heater,or the lights,well that is another story.

Автор Chevez E (2 месяца)
So can I hook these up alongside my regular car battery? I have room for
both and would just like to be able to start my car in -40c weather. My
biggest concern is that the caps will end up discharging while i'm away as
I usually let my car sit for weeks at a time. So that's where the regular
battery would come in handy to keep the capacitors topped off. Solar panels
arn't an option either because snow.

Also, I imagine that I would need to hook this up in parallel with my
battery to prevent doubling up the voltage?

Автор Steve smith (1 месяц)
Caps have a habit of biting you if you touch the terminals.

Автор mele host (1 месяц)
You could get one of those lithium-ion car starters is case you need to
jump start the vehicle.

Автор jeff king (1 месяц)
And the results of 9mth test is.....?????

Автор Jim's Computer Tech Reviews (13 дней)
Love the vid, too bad I couldn't find your same ype of pack premade to
buy!! love your boost cap vids!

Автор Andrew Keener (9 дней)
I hate to tell ya but a battery is a capacitor. 

Автор TremereTT (1 месяц)
btw. you don't need to put eggs in the fridge, if you don't wash them! eggs
have a natural protection coating that preserves them, just don't remove it
by washing it off.
you won't eat the egg-shell anyway.

Автор AVLMTC (21 день)
you are able to store more energy into batterys vers caps

Автор CogitoErgoCogitoSum (2 месяца)
And when your car has trouble starting that one cold morning? You try
starting your car a few times and your capacitors drain of all charge.
Then... youre fucked.

Автор Justison Maynard (19 дней)
now make some kinda hand crank to recharge the capacitors and i'm sold ill
buy 10 of them....

Автор Michael Carouth (1 месяц)
Replacing Car Battery with Capacitors! 12V BoostPack Update
---This guy, Lasersaber, has a cool Youtube channel with lots of neat do it
yourself science experiments and useful projects.
Those supercapacitors are available at Amazon and such. Just put enough
together to get the voltage you need--- like you would with batteries.

Автор Nicholas Haley (9 дней)
Look at all those chickens!!!

Автор Scuba Jamaica (2 месяца)
Quote: Reply #35 on: April 04, 2013, 06:22:56 AM »
"It will start my car fine but while the car is running it discharges for
some reason."

Did you ever figure why this happened?

Автор karffiol (1 день)
I like your chicken

Автор BreeUSA (23 дня)
I spy a Citicar in the background. Have you done anything with it? I have
a 1974 Citicar i'm restoring.

Автор Kerbin Centurion (8 дней)
Just use it as a jump starter if needed

Автор 1Shignog (4 дня)
This would not start my truck at all.

Автор Elizabeth Sainog (1 месяц)
How is your capacitor array in very cold temperatures? A lot of batteries
get sold where I live on the 1st cold snap like -20° to -40° celcius. Do
you think that your device would have the capability to start the car in 12
hours in that tempurature providing the engine block heater was on 4 hours
a head of time? How about no block heater? Do these capacitors lose more
more at lower temperatures?

Автор Stash Murawski (16 дней)
where can I find them on digikey???? Please

Автор GrafKrolock82 (1 месяц)
Oh my... at one point i scrolled to 07:12, heard the sound and thought:
"Strange cranking sound"... and then i realized "Oh, chicken..."

Автор kirby wade (2 месяца)
Most people don't know that the batterys sole purpose is to start the
engine and run electronics when the key is in the acc and on position when
the engine is off. Once the engine is running the alternator powers the
vehicles radio, lights and engine control computer. The alternator also
keeps the battery charged, and in this instance the capacitor bank, doesn't
over charge it via a voltage regulator. Also this technology is already on
the market but as a battery jump box, some have deep cycle batteries and
others have capacitors which like a deep cycle battery can hold a charge
for long periods of time.

Автор Miodrag Zizovic (3 месяца)
This post have been changed due my wrong assumption about working
principles of super-conductor. I apologize to video poster and others to
which found my post correct, and also I want to thank Sara Hearth and
oldwrench2000 who corrected me.

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