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Replacing My Car Battery with Capacitors! 12V BoostPack Update



Testing to see if capacitors can make a traditional 12V battery obsolete. Plus an update on the original BoostPack.
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Автор Penfold 'OoO' (2 месяца)
How much money would a capacitor-based car battery save you?

An often-quoted number is that hauling 100lbs around in your car adds 1% to
fuel consumption. If you remove a 30lb battery then you save 0.3% of your
fuel bill. If you are spending $50 per week on fuel (the average for
Australian drivers), this adds up to $2600 per year. 0.3% of $2600 is
$7.80 per year in reduced weight leading to better fuel economy.

Capacitors can be recharged hundreds of thousands (to millions) of times,
unlike lead-acid car batteries which will be dead after one (or two)
thousand cycles (at the most). If you replace your lead-acid car battery
every 4 years, you would have to change the equivalent capacitor-based car
battery every 400–4,000 years. So, in effect, you would never need to
replace it (nor would your children, or their children, or their
children...). Since a car battery might cost you about $100 every four
years, you are spending $25 per year on lead-acid car batteries.

A capacitor-based car battery would thus save you $25 + $7.80 = $32.80 (on
lead-acid battery replacement costs and in improved fuel economy) each and
every year.

Over the course of a 50-year driving career (20–70), you will have saved 50
* 32.80 = $1,640. If, on each anniversary of installing the
capacitor-based battery, you added the $32.80 you just saved in the
previous year into a bank account earning 5% interest, when you retire from
driving you would have about $6,900 sitting in the account. Give the
battery (and the account) to a grand-child and get them to do the same, and
they would retire from driving with $85,600 in the bank. If your
grand-child does the same thing, then your great-great grand-child will
retire from driving, with the exact same battery, 150 years after after you
built it, with $989,000 in the bank... Great-great grand-dad sure was a
smart fella.

Moving away from lead-acid batteries makes sound financial sense, provided
you think ahead far enough.

Автор electronicsNmore (5 месяцев)
Impressive since the capacitor bank is rated 16.2V / 58 Farads.

Автор Nevets (3 месяца)
Someone needs to strangle your cock...

Автор TheLuismondo (4 месяца)
Capacitors in series divide the value of 1 of them by the number of
capacitors (if they are the same value)
Capacitors in parallel multiply the value of 1 of them by the number of
capacitors (if they are the same value)
So if each one of them is 350Fs and you have 6, you can either have 2100Fs
in paralel (you need them to be rated at more than 16 volts) or 58.3Fs in
series.

Автор Pedro Bermudes (17 дней)
capacitors, the new battery.

Автор craig zale (16 дней)
Love the farm animals in the back ground saying "Don't do it it's a trick!"
What does this do for the charging system strategies? How about baseline
reference voltages. It's your car good luck, we will be watching with
interest. You may want to buy an extra fire extinguisher. 

Автор joe a (2 месяца)
This here ladies and gentlemen... is how you destroy your alternator and
possibly much of your electrical system.

Автор Cynthia Avishegnath (2 месяца)
Low end lead-acid car battery
= 12V x 24 Amp Hours.
= 0.15 cubic foot
= 18 lbs
= $65

Lead acid cannot be discharged below 1/3 (33.3%) without damaging battery.
Therefore effective amp hour ~= 16 Amp Hour @ 12V.

============
Compared with
============
12 V x 1 amp hour
= 5 x 2.4V (overvoltaged at 2.7V) x 3600 amp seconds
= 5 x 3600 x {1 Farad 2.7V boostcaps}
= 36 x { 500 F 2.7V boostcaps}

That is presuming we overcome the series capacitance being reduced by using
a regulator/switching circuit.

12V @ 16 Amp hour
= 36 x 16 x { 500 F 2.7V boostcaps}
= 576 { 500 F 2.7V boostcaps}
= 576 x 0.0028 cubic ft + spacing allowances ~= 576 x 0.003
~= 1.73 cubic ft
= 576 x 0.15 lbs
= 5.4 lbs + 2 lbs of harnessing frame + 1 lb of charging/discharging
regulator / switcher
= 8.4 lbs
= 576 x $15
= $864 + $50? homemade regulator / switcher + $?? homemade frame.

Without the regulator / switcher, you would have to multiply the number of
boostcaps by 5, which would make your supercapacitor battery-replacement
array heavier than the battery being replaced. Not to mention the size.

The regulator would be a 2.4 V - 12V step-up / step-down charge /
discharge. Efficiency of regulator = 90% ? at most ?? So you have to add
10%, 15% more boostcaps to compensate.

The alternative without the efficiency loss is an intelligent
parallel/series charge/discharge switching circuit.

Also, you SHOULD NOT charge boostcaps in series without a balancing circuit
across them, to ensure their 2.7V individual threshold is not violated. The
balancing circuit will cost you either efficiency (passive cct) or extra
money (active circuit).

You seem to be oblivious, not only to the reduction in capacitance but also
to the damage you are risking in charging the supercaps, when placed in
series.

Hours of happiness constructing an expensive over-sized battery replacement
= priceless.
Damage due to charging boostcaps in series = ???

=====================
Now compare with $350, 150 Amp Hour, 100 lb, 0.75 cubic ft high end
battery.

Автор David (4 дня)
Don't let any troll skew you to think this cannot be made cost effective.
The industry has a reason to keep YOU dependent.

Автор John Wiggins (3 месяца)
I have a new found respect for capacitors...

Автор Adam Colon (3 месяца)
I'm confused what the point of replacing the 12V battery with the
capacitors.
You lose the consistent reliable features of the battery.

Is the upside simply that it's smaller and lighter?

Is it worth it?

Автор Fennecbutt (1 месяц)
And what if you want to use your lights or stereo while you're parked?

Oh wait, this is America...you just leave your gas guzzling Hummer
idling...

Автор Llia Olsen (3 месяца)
My question:

At idle rpms, in traffic, at night, with lights on, raining, with wipers
running at least half speed. Will the Alternator provide enough power to
keep the caps charged under those conditions?

Автор deadboy600 (12 дней)
Sure it starts a mouse engine in a Scion. Try that shit on a V8.

Автор lerch25 (19 дней)
It might even be better for the computer because it should really flatten
out any ripple coming off the alternator.

Автор Alexander Pivovarov (3 месяца)
Replacing My Car Battery with Capacitors! 12V Boo…:
http://youtu.be/z3x_kYq3mHM

Автор Jeff Evenson (2 месяца)
30 years ago-on a 650 BSA Thunderbolt, I got tired of changing battery's
due to the vibration where I rode, so using only 1 large Capacitor with a
zenior diode and it always started on one kick. What the trick here is to
Use them like he does, but with the battery as that way the battery and
starter will last longer due to less voltage drop on first crank.

Автор Marcos Borges (29 дней)
mmm, se me ocurre algo, y si pusiera en sistema con ladrón de Jouly para
autocargar los capacitores, ¿funcionaría?

Автор twistedyogert (21 день)
Batteries have poisonous chemicals, could boostpacks replace traditional
lead acid batteries

Автор Dylan Thorner (2 месяца)
Cool! I plan on making a cap bank like this for an inverter. Thanks for
sharing.

Автор Loren Husky (6 дней)
Damn man. My car won't even think about starting on 10 volts.

Автор Leo Etcheverry (24 дня)
How was it after use ?

Автор TremereTT (2 месяца)
btw. you don't need to put eggs in the fridge, if you don't wash them! eggs
have a natural protection coating that preserves them, just don't remove it
by washing it off.
you won't eat the egg-shell anyway.

Автор Stephen Furr (1 месяц)
I agree... I saw the terminals on the other end getting close to the steel
battery mounting plate and thought "That would suck if he shorted that to
the frame."
Then he wrapped it in a sock to insulate it. (Face palm)

Автор Onofe Eromosele (6 дней)
I wanna buy some eggs, please!!

Автор stonner2k (2 месяца)
what would you have done if on Monday morning on the way to work it didn't
start up?? would you have just jumped it with one of the other ones? I also
take it you could carry one in the boot or trunk as you would say as a
buster just encase you ever need a buster?

Автор T Oadaly (1 месяц)
Pretty cool, as long as you don't try running the lights and radio off
battery. ...most people don't anyway, but know that you really can't with
these. 

Автор Sven nniss (22 дня)
That's cool but totally pointless as one user said you'd have to charge the
caps up so if your out for a few hours those caps will be long discharged
and although caps can constantly recharge and discharge millions of times
there's always a possibility of blowing or a faulty cap not lasting as long
whereas a battery has warranty and 99% reliable. Also now batteries for
cars become smaller and more powerful this is kind of useless.

Though I've heard Mazda has capacitors they say when you break this charges
the caps to use that energy to take off again? So it still has a battery,
but it's not voltage you use to take off its mainly more fuel you use
constantly stopping and taking off where 'coasting' to avoid this is more
practical.

Also test those caps while your driving at 110km/h the alternator will
probably blow those caps, test using lights a/c sound system high beams
those caps will instantly die

Автор chrileman16 (8 дней)
that's one quite ass car!.

Автор Mallrick (24 дня)
well i dont think the alternator will charge this..loll but if your baterry
is dead and u dont have anyone to boost its realy nice!! i need 1 for
emergency

Автор tomaramudarurls (19 дней)
2:48 he's talking to the chiken

Автор Steve smith (2 месяца)
Caps have a habit of biting you if you touch the terminals.

Автор Anurag sharma (21 день)
i just have two questions.....
1) what will happen if i park my cars in garage for 5-6 weeks with boost
caps inside, will they be still be able to crank.
2) are they safe for alternator and other cicuitory, what if they blast up?
what if they put extra load on alternator, what if they start leaking
current?

Автор Daymond Jones (14 дней)
Replacing My Car Battery with Capacitors! 12V BoostPack Update:
https://youtu.be/z3x_kYq3mHM

Автор TheBikemaster94 (26 дней)
what would you do for overcharge Protection? I plan on building one from
Li-ion batteries using 2 12VBattery holders that take 8AA batteries each.

Автор David (4 дня)
Current price for this is about $8 each. (At 2.7V) you need 5. Total $40
out the door. OR $110 (add $15 Calif. recycling fee) for lead battery every
5 years. Acid to your landfill. LEAD to your rivers/fish. Your planet? NO
WAY HOZAY.

Автор 1Shignog (28 дней)
Also i can let my truck sit ofr a week or 2 or 3 and not have to worries
about it being dead.

Автор Dr Greg Tyree (1 день)
Great Vid! Excellent idea except for those who live in cold climates would
find this system would not be viable due to lack of "Cold cranking
amperage" in your Boost-pack. I like how your thinking but this is still in
the "Great idea" stage. Thanks for sharing! :-)

Автор jozzerful2 (17 дней)
I was just thinking what about the power been returned to the battery via
your alternator, ordinarily your alternator, will give your battery power
to charge, and you will still have some power left over, what way would
that wok regarding that ,would it not burn these cells out, i think it
would be better if you designed it for an emergency if your battery goes
flat, you could have something, nice and small like that in the boot of
your car, i know you are already able to buy, these things but not as cheap
and as small, what is , your opinion regarding this matter ?

Автор Ron Gray (1 месяц)
Replacing My Car Battery with Capacitors! 12V Boo…:
http://youtu.be/z3x_kYq3mHM

Автор Stash Murawski (1 месяц)
where can I find them on digikey???? Please

Автор Jeremy Burleson (6 дней)
Will your alternator charge the capacitors or do they just die out?

Автор Marcos Borges (29 дней)
bien, no es todo pero ya es algo, la baterias son muy malas al planeta!
tenemos que encontrar forma de reemplazerlas ya!
Saludos!

Автор Chevez E (3 месяца)
So can I hook these up alongside my regular car battery? I have room for
both and would just like to be able to start my car in -40c weather. My
biggest concern is that the caps will end up discharging while i'm away as
I usually let my car sit for weeks at a time. So that's where the regular
battery would come in handy to keep the capacitors topped off. Solar panels
arn't an option either because snow.

Also, I imagine that I would need to hook this up in parallel with my
battery to prevent doubling up the voltage?

Автор 1Shignog (28 дней)
This would not start my truck at all.

Автор John Doe (1 месяц)
I hear you talking about possibly making a hybrid battery. If you are
considering any lithium ion type cells be very careful how you charge them.
When charged and discharged wrong they can explode or catch fire. I am
not trying to say that you can not use them safely but if you want to use
them like that safely you will need a specialized charging circuit. You
might even need something custom made because lithium ion can be fussy
about how you charge and discharge them. If you do decide to use them I
hope it works safely. Lithium ion cells are lightweight as you might
already know and so that is one reason to consider them but I would be
scared to use them in my car unless it was made for them. Capacitors on
the other hand seem much safer.

Автор John Lewis (18 дней)
Fake!. You are a liar and a sham.

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